Miranda Bradley is a member of the First Baptist Church in Georgetown, Texas, and is the owner of BCreative, a marketing and fundraising firm aimed at helping nonprofit organizations achieve their goals. Based in Georgetown, Texas, BCreative was launched in 2007 to assist small and large nonprofits, as well as some small businesses with everything from social media management, website creation and management, publication design, copy writing and more.

From deep in the heart of one Texan, she shares her background and thoughts on being a follower of Christ in the marketplace. To suggest a Texas Baptist leader in the marketplace to be featured in this column, or to apply to be featured yourself, click here.

Background

What other businesses have you been in, and what were your positions there?

Prior to launching BCreative, I was on the communications staff for Children At Heart Foundation in Round Rock, where I spent eight years. I started BCreative in an effort to help bridge the financial gap many nonprofits without resources faced, as well as to spend more time with my growing family.

Where did you grow up?

I grew up in Bossier City, La.

How did you come to faith in Christ?

I was exposed to Christ initially through my grandparents, who made sure I attended church during parental visit weekends with my dad. However, I didn’t understand what a relationship with Christ could be like until a very persistent dorm-mate invited me to an on-campus Christian student organization’s worship service.

I was not in a great place in my life and resisted for weeks. Finally, my dorm-mate said there was free pizza, so I went. Weeks later, I found myself back at the organization asking to borrow computer paper. After that, I was there practically every day, exploring my newfound enthusiasm for the Lord. I asked to be rebaptized and continued to be very active in the ministry after that.

Where were you educated, and what degrees did you receive?

I graduated from Stephen F. Austin State University with a bachelor’s degree in journalism and a minor in music.

Life in the marketplace

Why do you feel called into the marketplace?

For years, I was exposed to many worthwhile nonprofits that lacked funds and staff to execute effective marketing strategies. Larger marketing firms charged fees outside the budget realms for many new nonprofits. At the time, I was expecting my second child and felt led by God to use my skills to help organizations with these areas so they could be more effective and viable. He has blessed our efforts and helped launch many worthwhile nonprofits toward helping even more people.

How does being a Christian influence your decisions in the marketplace?

As a Christian woman in the industry, I am guided by the Lord’s direction that we should love our neighbors. I do this by being a listening ear to my clients, guiding them to the services that will benefit them, even if that means they are not the most profitable for me.

One of our cornerstone principles at BCreative is the idea that the bottom line is not the bottom line. For us, the bottom line is doing the right thing all the time with integrity and a Christ-like attitude. For instance, we will work within the budgets of each of our clients so they get services they can use at prices they can afford.

What is your favorite aspect of the marketplace? Why?

I enjoy the freedom of expression that comes with my business, as well as helping others explore new ideas. One of my favorite things to do is brainstorm with new clients because together we often can come up with great ideas that never would have occurred to me alone.

What one aspect of the marketplace gives you the greatest joy?

I’m blessed and honored to be at the forefront of exciting new organizations that really and truly can change people’s lives. Whether it’s a family and child agency or a new science foundation, I know people are going to be reached in new and exciting ways, and to be part of that in even a small way is very humbling.

What one aspect of the marketplace would you like to change?

The nonprofit landscape can be a volatile place financially. Depending on grant opportunities or new tax codes, funding can be greatly impacted. I wish nonprofits didn’t have to fight so hard for the funding they need.

How has your place in the market or your perspective on the marketplace changed?

As a marketing professional, I constantly have to stay abreast of new changes. Social media and video have become major game changers in my industry, and they always are shifting. We usually are working to keep pace with these ever-changing trends so we can pass these products on to our clients.

Once marketing was primarily about print versus radio or TV advertising space. Now, it’s imperative that organizations are visible across all media, and that is a challenge for many.

How do you expect the marketplace to change in the next 10 to 20 years?

I anticipate, honestly, a paradigm shift to simpler forms of media. I believe the marketplace is crowded and too noisy for most people to process all of the messages. I predict we will see more personalized targeted media but in simpler formats that are easier to digest.

If you could launch any new venture, what would it be? Why?

Personally speaking, I would like to return to my journalist roots. I would like to launch a magazine here in Williamson County targeted specifically to women with interviews and tips on how to make your mark as a female in business, tackling work/life balance and how to succeed in any endeavor.

Name the three most significant challenges and/or influences facing your place in the market.

1. Social media messaging. It’s ever-changing and noisy; so, you have to make an impact with your posts.

2. Limited resources. Many nonprofits still are working off of a shoestring budget; so, they have to be particular about how and where they spend their money, which means every message has to count.

3. New technology. We constantly are seeing changes in technology challenging us to expand our knowledge base. This is a good thing, as these can often benefit our industry, but it can be challenging to stay current.

How does the marketplace affect women?

In my experience, women often have to prove themselves as being competent immediately. Often, we walk into a board room filled with men and are expected to impress them with our qualifications for a project.

There have been times when I felt the fact that BCreative is woman-owned and operated has caused doubt to creep into prospective clients’ minds. It sometimes requires extra work to win them to our side, and once the job is done, they see how effective we are. But, it’s still sometimes a hard mountain to climb.

What do you wish more people knew about the marketplace?

The world of marketing is filled with great stories about nonprofits in need of funding. These tickle your funny bone and break your heart—and all in less than 30 seconds. However, some of these are not legitimate organizations. Beware of giving to nonprofits until you delve a little deeper into their background to ensure they are bona fide organizations that are good stewards of their funds.

In the digital world, it is easy to manipulate a customer and, therefore, commit fraud. Also, with the new tax code raising the required deductible amount, many nonprofits may be feeling the pinch of falling donations this year. Please keep this in mind, and consider giving despite the reduced incentive.

About Baptists

What are the key issues facing Baptists—denominationally and/or congregationally?

The biggest problem Baptists have today is themselves. They are battling their own history that is fraught with the perception of narrow opinions, exclusivity and judgment. While most of us understand there is a wide swath of Baptist denominations—some more conservative than others—the picture of the Bible-thumping, dance-banning, teetotaling Baptist of the 1950s persists. And in today’s world, where more varying walks of life are converging, this can be off-putting, even if the perception is absolutely false.

What would you change about the Baptist denomination—state, nation or local?

I would like to see Baptist churches embrace the idea of women as leaders. Jesus was nondiscriminatory in his sharing of the gospel. Paul refers to several women as disciples, and we know Jesus’s ministry was funded by Mary Magdalene.

Women long have been a cornerstone of the church and the furthering of its message, whether through leading women’s ministry, heading up children’s programs or presiding over committees. Yet, Baptist churches tend to fear women as deacons or pastors. This is one way the Baptist denominations continue to perpetuate their reputation of narrow mindedness and exclusivity.

About Miranda

Who were/are your mentors, and how did/do they influence you?

I would place Jerry Bradley, former CEO of Children At Heart Ministries, as one of my mentors. He showed me what a true leader was through his humble wisdom and willingness to do what was right always. You could observe him taking out the trash or sweeping the kitchen just before heading into a board meeting. I remember one instance when the staff was told they would not receive raises that year. The board offered Mr. Bradley a raise despite this, and he refused it, showing he didn’t place himself above anyone.

Another is Bill Martin, my former boss at Children At Heart. Although I worked under him only a short time, he inspired me to think bigger and pushed me to learn new things. He encouraged me when I launched BCreative, and we still have lunch together from time-to-time. I am honored to know him.

What did you learn on the job you wish you learned elsewhere?

The art of the apology, especially when you don’t necessarily feel you were in the wrong. As a young career woman, I thought I knew it all and had a lot of pride. After a while, you learn that you don’t know nearly as much as you thought and that a heartfelt, sincere apology goes a long way to maintaining strong relationships.

What is the impact of the marketplace on your family?

BCreative was inspired by God and has been a blessing to my family. While I sometimes work late into the night, I’ve been here for my children during their most formidable years and am forever grateful for God’s guidance onto this path. It isn’t always easy, and sometimes we don’t know where the next client is coming from, but he always makes a way.

Other than the Bible, name some of your favorite books or authors, and explain why.

OK, don’t judge me, but I love Gone With the Wind by Margaret Mitchell. It’s my favorite book and film. I feel it captures a period in time many of us wish hadn’t existed in the first place and forces us to face this history head-on. It’s also beautifully written.

I’m a big fan of Maya Angelou. She can make you cry in three syllables flat. Plus, she grew up close to where my Mamaw lived, which is cool.

As far as Christian authors, I enjoy Deanne Gist for her earthy storytelling style.

What is your favorite Bible verse or passage? Why?

“‘For I know the plans I have for you,’ declares the Lord, ‘plans to prosper you and not harm you, plans to give you a hope and a future’” (Jeremiah 29:11).

This passage has rallied my spirits when self-doubt crept in. As an entrepreneur, the future is uncertain, but with God my future is secure.

Who is your favorite Bible character, other than Jesus? Why?

I have two. Paul, for one, because I think he and I are very matter-of-fact people. We get each other. And Elizabeth because of her bold faith. She was an example of a strong, brave woman.

Name something about you that would surprise people who know you.

I once wanted to be a jockey, but my mom wouldn’t let me because it was too dangerous.

If you could get one “do over” in the marketplace, what would it be, and why?

There are some projects I wouldn’t have taken because the emotional toll was too great. Still, however, they were great learning experiences, and I know I grew from them.

The Burgin family, founders of Mission Arlington, have been a significant influence in the Dallas/Fort Worth Metroplex for decades. Theirs is a unique profile in the Deep in the Hearts of Texans column because they responded as a family, as seen in the different points of view throughout their interview.

From deep in the heart of one Texas family, they share their background and thoughts on ministry and missions. To suggest a Baptist General Convention of Texas-affiliated leader to be featured in this column, or to apply to be featured yourself, click here.

Family background

When did the family begin working at Mission Arlington?

If you think of Mission Arlington as an organization, then we started here about 32 years ago—beginning Aug. 1, 1986. On the other hand, if you think of Mission Arlington as a way of life, then the family has been immersed in this ministry since the mid-1960s when Bob and Tillie moved with their two boys—Jim and Rick—to South Korea as Southern Baptist missionary teachers.

Where else did Tillie and Bob work, and what were their positions?

Tillie and Bob began their careers as educators in Arlington. Tillie served as a special education consultant and in other roles before becoming the director of personnel for Arlington Independent School District. Bob served as a teacher and an administrator in Arlington, before moving to Dallas Baptist University to train future teachers and administrators.

Where did they grow up?

The seventh of eight children, Bob grew up in Jewett, Texas, a farming community of about 1,100 people in Leon County. Tillie grew up in Arlington, the daughter of Erman Lester, the owner and proprietor of a busy “full-service” gas station.

At the time, Arlington was a sleepy bedroom community of 4,000 people between Dallas and Fort Worth. Bob and Tillie met at Arlington State College (subsequently the University of Texas at Arlington) and married in 1956 at Arlington’s First Baptist Church.

Jim and Rick were born in 1960 and 1963, respectively, and both men serve in the ministry today.

Erman Lester’s Gulf Station, in part, formed the spirit of service that still lives at Mission Arlington today.

How did they come to faith in Christ?

Tillie’s childhood home was purchased by the church in the 1940s. Former pastor Henard East joked with the congregation one Sunday that the Lesters had slept in the sanctuary more than anyone else. Tillie’s dad was a Methodist who didn’t attend much because the service station was open most Sundays, but Tillie’s mom Bonnie made sure that Tillie and her sister were there without fail.

Even as a young girl, Tillie’s strong and independent spirit often got her in trouble. One Sunday, the exasperated pastor of First Baptist had to stop the message because Tillie was using a compact mirror to shine light into his eyes.

Some years later, the light shining off the cross in the sanctuary caught Tillie’s attention. She looked at that cross and suddenly realized the stories were all true. Jesus had died for her. Tillie was 9 years old when she accepted the Lord.

Bob grew up in the Sardis Baptist Church of Jewett but accepted Christ in a revival setting at the Friendship Baptist Church just outside of town.

Where were they educated, and what degrees did they receive?

Bob and Tillie both graduated with degrees in education from Arlington State College (now UTA) and masters’ degrees from North Texas State in Denton.

About ministry

Describe how you were called to start and continue leading Mission Arlington.

When we came home in 1978, Tillie couldn’t get away from the question, “If you can do missions in Korea, why can’t we do missions in Arlington?”

Tillie and Bob prayed for seven years and asked others to join them. By 1986, several small prayer teams were meeting weekly in homes across the city.

The First Baptist Church of Arlington heard the call, too, and Tillie began as the minister of missions there on a Friday, Aug. 1, 1986.

A woman and her son had a financial need that day, and Tillie made a home visit. Bob and Tillie paid the electric bill and asked the woman if she would host a Bible study in her apartment on a Sunday morning. Seventeen people attended the first day, and God’s vision increased.

The hope was to have six apartment Bible studies started in a year, but that many doors opened in a week. Over a couple of months, more than 300 people were attending these small communities of faith, and a movement was born.

Please tell us about the breadth and nature of your work, including its mission.

Every life matters to our Lord, and therefore to us. We desire to treat each person with dignity and respect and believe that the physical and spiritual sides to our ministry function as an integrated whole.

With 2,500 volunteers each week and hundreds of people daily coming through our front doors, we still consider ourselves a “ministry of ones” because every life matters to our Lord.

With respect to the form our ministry takes, we know that it takes four working tires to get a car down the road. If one is flat, no matter how resilient the rest of the tires might be, the car isn’t going to move. Over time, the Lord has developed many avenues for ministry here which meet the physical, emotional, educational and social needs of people. These four key dimensions work together in all of our work.

Finally, four important scriptures focus our call: John 3:16, Matthew 25:40, Matthew 28:19-20 and Acts 1:8.

What aspect(s) of Mission Arlington and/or its mission do you wish more people understood?

Mission Arlington is an example of the New Testament church at work.

How has Mission Arlington and its mission changed since its beginning, and what changes do you expect in the next 10 to 20 years?

Our ministry has changed over time—and may continue to change—but our mission has stayed the same and will remain the same.

Name the three most significant challenges and/or influences facing your institution.

1. Getting Christians in traditional churches out of the pews and into the fields.
2. The fields are white unto harvest, but the workers are few.
3. Resources for the work.

What one aspect of your job gives you the greatest joy or fulfillment?

Seeing people saved and baptized.

About Tillie

Who were/are your mentors, and how did/do they influence you?

Sunday school teachers, Girls in Action leaders and my grandmother Lucy Olds from New Boston, who read the Bible to me as a little girl.

Other than the Bible, name some of your favorite books or authors, and explain why.

Jim Cymbala, because of his passion for the gospel.

What is your favorite Bible verse or passage? Why?

John 3:16. The most important word in this passage is “whosoever,” for every life has value to God, and no one can ever be thrown away.

Who is your favorite Bible character, other than Jesus? Why?

Peter, because of his passion to follow Christ.

Name something about you that would surprise people who know you well.

I used to play to trumpet. People didn’t call me “hot lips” for no reason.

If you could get one “do over” in your career, what would it be, and why?

I haven’t always done it right or well, but I have no regrets.

What would you like to say to Texas Baptists?

Over 32 years ago—led by God’s Spirit—Texas Baptists invested financial resources to help Mission Arlington get started, and they have continued to provide support through the years. God’s kingdom family has been impacted because of the vision and faithfulness of God’s people across this state, and we are grateful. Thank you.

Gerry Lewis has been executive director and lead mission strategist of Harvest Baptist Association in Decatur since 2008. From deep in the heart of one Texan, he shares his background and thoughts on associational ministry and the church. To suggest a Baptist General Convention of Texas-affiliated leader to be featured in this column, or to apply to be featured yourself, click here.

Background

Where else have you worked, and what were your positions?

• Eagle Mountain Baptist Church, Fort Worth, senior pastor, 1991–2008
• Trinity Baptist Church, Tucumcari, N.M., senior pastor, 1988–1991
• Eagle Mountain Baptist Church, Fort Worth, associate pastor of music and youth, 1984–1988
• Immanuel Baptist Church, Monahans, music director, 1977–1980

Where did you grow up?

I grew up in Monahans, Texas.

How did you come to faith in Christ?

My parents divorced when I was 7. For a few months, we lived with my grandparents. My grandmother shared Jesus with me and prayed with me every night. During a visit to Colorado, where my uncle was a pastor, I trusted Jesus and was baptized.

Where were you educated, and what degrees did you receive?

• West Texas State University (now West Texas A&M), Bachelor of Music Education, 1984
• Southwestern Seminary, Master of Divinity, 1988
• Golden Gate Seminary (now Gateway), Doctor of Ministry, 1996

About ministry

Why do you feel called to your particular vocation?

I probably approach the whole idea of “calling” and “vocation” a little differently. I think there really is only one “call” and that is to what I refer to as the “Christ-life.” As a Christ-follower—or disciple—I am on mission to live out the Christ-life. That means I love who he loves, obey what he says, display his character and extend his influence.

“Vocation” is not “position” so much as it is constant realignment to the unfolding clarity of purpose he brings as I follow him. His unfolding purpose led me first to music ministry at the age of 19, to preach and pastor at the age of 23, and to invest in pastors and churches through association ministry at the age of 46. I don’t think he’s finished unfolding his purpose for me yet.

Please tell us about your association—where it’s located, the key focus of its work and ministry, etc.

Harvest Baptist Association comprises three counties: Wise, Montague and Jack. Our mission center is in Decatur. Our focus is on cultivating a kingdom-focused culture of engaging churches through leadership cultivation, community engagement and kingdom partnerships.

What do you like best about leading your association? Why?

I love investing in the personal development of pastors and leaders. If I can help them find their “why” and identify and optimize their strengths to move toward a compelling vision, I am in my sweet spot.

What aspect(s) of associational ministry and/or its mission do you wish more people understood?

I wish more people understood the unique role the association has in Baptist life. There is only one entity whose sole focus is the churches in their geographic region and who is planted directly in that region. We have boots on the ground. We are not spread across a whole state like the state conventions or across a whole country like the Southern Baptist Convention. Our responsibility and focus are right here.

The other thing I wish churches could understand is that the primary partnership they have within the association is not with the association office and staff but is with all the other churches in the association. The office and staff are a resource the churches make available equally to each other, and every decision a church makes regarding its participation affects every other church.

How has your association and its mission changed since you began your career?

I think I came in at a time of transition between the idea of “this is what associations do” and “this is what our association is supposed to be.” Instead of being centered around association programs, events and supplies, we have to develop a robust toolbox of skills and kingdom connections that can be customized for the needs of individual churches.

We also are faced with the reality of having to be strategic and streamlined with our structures. As churches—especially in the small town and rural context—have experienced financial struggles, we have experienced the trickle-down effect. We also have a new generation of church leadership that has not been brought up and educated with a high view of the value of the association. We have to prove ourselves constantly.

How do you expect your association and/or its mission to change in the next 10 to 20 years?

I really don’t expect our mission to change. I think our methods and structures will have to be constantly evolving and responding.

It’s hard to project 10 to 20 years into the future because we have no idea what the world will look like. What I do know is many of our churches will not be in existence 10 to 20 years from now if they don’t have a significant shift in the next two to three years. And if we and other associations don’t figure out how we can best optimize our strengths, clarify our purpose and establish our place, we won’t be here either.

Name the three most significant challenges and/or influences facing your association.

1. Financial challenges. We can no longer depend on churches contributing to the association because it’s the right thing to do. That ship has sailed.

2. Communication challenges. Telling the story of who we are, what we do and how we can make a difference—and telling it in multiple ways for multiple hearers—continues to be one of the biggest challenges we face.

3. Legacy challenges. How do we develop a consistent leadership pipeline that is scalable and sustainable?

What one aspect of your job gives you the greatest joy or fulfillment?

When I can help a pastor gain personal clarity and live into his strengths, I experience a great measure of fulfillment.

For my 10^thanniversary last summer, my staff polled pastors and leaders in the association for their one-word description of me. They had a word cloud put on a plaque and gave it to me. The most prevalent words were friend, mentor and encourager. That was incredibly gratifying.

About Gerry

Who were/are your mentors, and how did/do they influence you?

I could probably write an essay on each mentor, but I think they all had one thing in common, so I’m going to name some and then identify that one thing.

• Ken Mills—high school choral director
• Dennis Davis––high school best friend and singing partner
• Royal Brantley and Hugh Sanders—college voice professor and choral director, respectively
• Mike Whelan—college Baptist Student Union director
• Roland Earl—seminary pastor
• Larry Rose—director of missions when I was a young pastor

What they had in common was they helped me find my voice. I don’t mean the literal ability to vocalize—even the music influences. I mean none of them tried to mold me into the ideal singer, preacher or minister—nor did they try to duplicate themselves in me. They helped me unleash my giftedness, passions and strengths and find ways to express them to the world. They gave me opportunities to grow into leadership.

What is your favorite Bible verse or passage? Why?

Galatians 2:20. It is from this verse that I came to understand God is not particularly interested in anything I want to do for him, but he is abundantly interested in living his life through mine.

This passage inspired my description of discipleship as being on mission to live out the “Christ-life.” Inspired by this verse and some thoughts from Dallas Willard, I’ve come to describe the Christ-life as Jesus living his life through me as me.

Name something about you that would surprise people who know you well.

I live a pretty vulnerable and open life, so there’s not much. I have a fun answer and a serious one.

The fun answer is I spent a season as a professional dancer. By professional, I mean I got paid for it, not that I was good at it. I spent a summer performing in the musical drama “Texas” in Palo Duro Canyon. I was hired as a singer but had to learn and perform some dance. I did it in a very tall, gangly and awkward Baptist way, but I did get paid.

Fun fact: My wife and son also have spent summers performing in “Texas.”

The serious answer is I have suffered from depression and have been on a mild anti-depressant for the better part of the last dozen years or so. I don’t lead with that when I’m getting to know people, but I’m happy to address it when it seems appropriate.

I think it is vitally important now that the church address the very real issues of the psychological, mental and emotional nuances of health, rather than simplifying everything into either physical or spiritual. I think, in many ways, we have failed our culture and weakened our message by giving the simplistic answer of “pray harder, read your Bible more and have more faith” when the ailment doesn’t show obvious physical symptoms.

If you could get one “do over” in your career, what would it be, and why?

I wrote an essay a few months ago on what I would do differently if I were ever a pastor again. Of the several things I mentioned, the one that stands out most is I would never “do ministry” by myself. I would always take someone with me into whose life and ministry I was investing. I would make “discipling” a priority rather than trying to implement a discipleship program.

Vince Smith has been the executive director and lead mission strategist of the CBA Church Network (Collin Baptist Association) in Fairview, since 2015. From deep in the heart of one Texan, he shares his background and thoughts on associational ministry and the church. To suggest a Baptist General Convention of Texas-affiliated leader to be featured in this column, or to apply to be featured yourself, click here.

Background

Where else have you worked, and what were your positions?

Immediately before coming to the CBA Church Network, I served as pastor of Cross Pointe Baptist Church in Sioux Falls, S.D., from 2006 to 2012. While in Sioux Falls, I concurrently was the director of Siouxland Baptist Association and also served a year—concurrent to the pastor, as well—as an interim church planter catalyst with the Dakota Baptist Convention.

I also served:

• Travis Oaks Baptist Church (now Grace Community Church), senior pastor, 1999–2006.
• First Baptist Church of Grapevine, outreach and evangelism director, 1996–1999, while a student at Southwestern Baptist Theological Seminary.
• U.S. Navy, a lieutenant commander on U.S. nuclear submarines, 1988–1996.

Where did you grow up?

I grew up in Slidell, La., in the New Orleans area. My parents and extended family all are from North Texas and southern Oklahoma, so I have had a very long connection to this area.

How did you come to faith in Christ?

I was saved at Vacation Bible School while spending part of the summer of 1972 with my grandparents in Springer, Okla. Earlier that year, a kindergarten classmate choked to death on a piece of hard candy. As a result, I thought about death and its meaning a lot for a little guy.

I watched the Billy Graham Crusades on TV and heard many times the steps to have peace with God. That summer at VBS, the pastor showed us the heart diagram with a throne in the middle. He invited us to trust Jesus with all our heart and ask him to be our Lord. That night I placed my trust in Christ.

Where were you educated, and what degrees did you receive?

• Southwestern Baptist Theological Seminary, Master of Divinity
• U.S. Navy Nuclear Power School, certified nuclear propulsion engineer
• Tulane University, Bachelor of Science in Management
• Doctor of Ministry coursework at Sioux Falls Seminary, ABD

About Ministry

Why do you feel called to your particular vocation?

In my case, the call has been a journey rather than a feeling. The journey began at age 16 when I responded to an altar call at First Baptist in Slidell, La.

“Is God calling you to serve the church in full-time Christian service? If so, come forward and pray with me,” the pastor asked every Sunday. That particular Sunday, I found myself at the altar. The next 12 years, I wrestled with what that meant.

My rich Uncle Sam offered to pay for university for me after high school at Tulane University if I would work for him for five years after I finished. In other words, the U.S. Navy offered me a full scholarship in return for four years obligated service. In counsel with my pastor and family, it seemed it was God’s provision for my education. So, in 1984, I found myself in New Orleans in the Navy ROTC program.

Those were the Reagan years of the 600-ship navy and a call to resist the evil empire of the Soviet Union. A lot of religious language bled into the call to serve the country in those days. The words duty, honor and country blazed brightly in us.

Somewhere along the way, my call to serve Jesus was diluted by a call to serve the nation. Frankly, I began to ignore the call to serve the church. I often describe my faithfulness in those years this way: “There were three Evangelical Christians on my submarine, andthe other two weren’t certain about me some days.”

Two events in 1993 were instrumental in my repentance and return to the call God gave me. The first was on March 20. My submarine—the USS Grayling—was involved in a submerged collision 100 miles from Murmansk, Russia. While we were unhurt, this event restored the “fear of God” in me.

The second event occurred in December after my transfer to Naples, Italy. An admiral was speaking to a small officer group. He was convincing us we should make the Navy our life-long career and commitment. In the meeting, he said, “The Navy saved my life.”

Immediately a question formed in my mind, “Do you believe that?”

My internal response was, “No.”

I heard another question, “Then why do you live like you believe it?”

I was broken.

James 4:8 became my guiding and comforting Scripture: “Draw near to God, and he will draw near to you. Cleanse your hands, sinners, and purify your hearts, you double-minded” (CSB).

The joy of receiving forgiveness for my wandering heart still fuels me. Through the local church in Naples and a Naples ministry to overseas servicemen, my faith began growing again. I was licensed to preach in 1995 by the Naples church and resigned my commission in 1996 to attend seminary.

God has used this call to fuel all the roles I have held in ministry, be it pastor, church member or, now, associational missionary.

Please tell us about your association—where it’s located, the key focus of its work and ministry, etc.

The CBA Church Network is in Collin County, Texas. Collin County is one of the fastest growing counties in the nation. It encompasses the cities of McKinney, Allen, Plano and Frisco, as well as numerous other smaller suburbs and rural communities.

Over 200 languages are spoken in Collin homes today, andwe now find mosques, Hindu temples and Buddhist temples dotting the landscape. The population is almost 1 million people today, with as many as 700,000 people who do not have a relationship with Jesus Christ—lost people.

The 700,000 who do not know Jesus are our primary focus. We are a family of churches who live for the day when every girl, boy, woman and man in our county experiences a living witness to the gospel of Jesus Christ.

The CBA Church Network connects churches, fosters collaboration between churches and helps churches engage in gospel work. The CBA Church Network is churches helping churches do the work of the gospel.

What do you like best about leading your association? Why?

The people! CBA is blessedwith incredible people who love Jesus and desire to serve him.

What aspect(s) of associational ministry and/orits mission do you wish more people understood?

First, I wish more people and churches understood the association is a ministry of their church. It is not a parachurch ministry outside the church. The association is the churches. Not only is the association “owned” by the churches, but there is alsono association or network of churches unless they participate.

Second, I wish church leaders were aware of how much associations help churches on a day-to-day basis. While our key focus is mission strategy, we are the first place churches seek help for almost every issue in church life.

The association is much like an urgent care or emergency room facility. You don’t think about those facilities until you need one personally. When you do go to the ER, you quickly learn the waiting room is full, andthe ER doctors are working hard.

No other entity in church life is like the association. We are right next door when churches need help. Churches need help every day; itjust might not be your church today.

How has your association and its mission changed since you began your career?

We have moved from a training model to a mission strategy and engagement model. The unique contribution CBA makes to churches is its knowledge of the mission field, its relationships with churches and its strategically-oriented missionary staff. CBA helps churches know and engage its mission field.

How do you expect your association and/orits mission to change in the next 10 to 20 years?

The need for churches to connect, collaborate and engage in the work of the gospel together won’t change. The means we employ to connect, collaborate and engage churches in the workwill continue to evolve.

Name the three most significant challenges and/orinfluences facing your association.

1. Lostness. Six to seven hundred thousand people in Collin County do not know Jesus. That number is getting larger every day as our population grows and our baptisms drop. People being separated from God for eternity in hell demands an urgent response.

2. Rapidly changing culture. Collin County is rapidly evolving culturally, ethnically, politically, technologically and religiously. Discipling people to be faithful, biblical followers of Jesus in this environment requires high levels of intentionality and creativity.

3. Resourcing the work. Churches do not, in general, give out of denominational loyalty anymore. The days of churches giving 7 percent to the Cooperative Program and 3 percent to the association are long gone. We must work more diligently to communicate the need for, and the results of, association work.

What one aspect of your job gives you the greatest joy or fulfillment?

Working with God’s people!

About Baptists

What are the key issues—opportunities and/orchallenges—facing Baptist churches?

The key issue is discipleshisp. It is both the greatest challenge and the greatest opportunity.

To be sure there are many challenges: declining church attendance, irregular church attendance, the secularization of culture, the need for more leaders, fewer volunteers, the decline in baptisms, the decline in revenue, biblical illiteracy, #metoo, #churchtoo, racial reconciliation, social media, busyness, affluence, poverty, etc.

The church has a tremendous opportunity to disciple people in this environment. The only way one can make sense of the world is through the lens of Jesus.

About Vince

Other than the Bible, name some of your favorite books or authors, and explain why.

• In His Steps: What Would Jesus Do? by Charles Sheldon. This simple book inspired millions to think about our every day, walking around life in terms ofwhat Jesus would do if he were living the life I live.
• The Cost of Discipleshipby Dietrich Bonhoeffer. Grace is not cheap.

What is your favorite Bible verse or passage? Why?

Matthew 9:35–38 (CSB)

Jesus continued going around to all the towns and villages, teaching in their synagogues, preaching the good news of the kingdom, and healing every disease and every sickness. When he saw the crowds, he felt compassion for them, because they were distressed and dejected, like sheep without a shepherd. Then he said to his disciples, “The harvest is abundant, but the workers are few. Therefore, pray to the Lord of the harvest to send out workers into his harvest.”

This passage keeps me focused. The keywords—good news, preaching and healing, feeling compassion, praying to God, sending workers—these words sum up my call to serve Jesus and his church.

Who is your favorite Bible character, other than Jesus? Why?

Jonah. Because I lived in a submarine and my generation—Gen X—tends to cynicism.

Name something about you that would surprise people who know you well.

I was born in Michigan but lived there less than a year before my parents returned south.

Deep in the Hearts of Texans began in 2016 by featuring pastors and grew to include denominational leaders and other ministers in Texas Baptist life. After hearing from some readers interested in profiles of Christians in the marketplace, Deep in the Hearts of Texans is growing again by including those profiles.

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John Litzler is a member of Shearer Hills Baptist Church in San Antonio. He is an attorney working exclusively with churches and other Christian non-profit organizations. He serves as the director of the Church Law Division of Christian Unity Ministries and as the Baptist General Convention of Texas legal consultant.

From deep in the heart of one Texan, he shares his background and thoughts on being a follower of Christ in the marketplace. To suggest a Texas Baptist leader in the marketplace to be featured in this column, or to apply to be featured yourself, click here.

Background

How long have you been practicing law?

I earned my law license in 2011, but it wasn’t until 2015 that I began specializing in the area of church law.

What other businesses have you been in, and what were your positions there?

Prior to 2015, I practiced in the areas of family law and insurance defense. I also taught a legal course to high school students. While in school, I was a college ministry intern, and I even served as an interim youth minister.

Where did you grow up?

Sulphur Springs, Texas

How did you come to faith in Christ?

A friend invited me to Vacation Bible School at his church one summer. Though we had just gone through the same LifeWay VBS curriculum at my home church a couple of weeks before, God spoke to me differently that second week. I guess for most of us, it takes hearing the same message repeatedly before we surrender.

Where were you educated, and what degrees did you receive?

• The University of Texas, Austin: Bachelor of Arts degree in philosophy, 2008
• Baylor School of Law, Waco: Juris Doctor, 2011

Life in the marketplace

Why do you feel called into the marketplace?

Many of Christ’s disciples were fishermen, and he used their profession to teach them and to teach others. There were the miracles of walking on water, calming a storm, multiplying fish to feed thousands and filling nets with fish. God performs miracles in the marketplace.

God has given me a passion for the church. I’ve been blessed with the skills, abilities and training to guide the church in legal health and to be an advocate for the church in times of crisis.

How does being a Christian influence your decisions in the marketplace?

Because I work exclusively with Christian organizations, the gospel is at the heart of all that I do. I think the same is true for those in the marketplace that don’t work with churches on a regular basis.

The primary goal of business is to maximize profits. The primary goal of Christians is to spread the gospel and make disciples. Sometimes these two goals aren’t compatible, and—for the Christian—the former must yield to the latter. When this happens, it can be a powerful testimony for Christ.

What is your favorite aspect of the marketplace? Why?

I can’t talk enough about how much I love my area of the marketplace. I truly believe we have the best judicial system in the world. Though there is always room for improvement, I am still amazed by the most foundational concepts in American jurisprudence. When accused, we have the right to be tried by a jury of our peers. We resolve civil conflicts in courtrooms and not in the streets. Americans love our democracy and the freedoms it provides. At the root of those freedoms is a judicial system that upholds the rule of law. It’s a privilege to practice law.

How do you expect the marketplace to change in the next 10 to 20 years?

I feel as though churches used to hold a prominent place in our society, particularly in Texas. In the past, most people wouldn’t have considered suing a church, even if the church had made a mistake or if the person was not a church member. That’s changing. Churches increasingly are involved in legal matters. I believe I’m at the forefront of a new area of legal specialization. I expect a lot more “church lawyers” in the next few decades.

About Baptists

What are the key issues facing Baptists—denominationally and/or congregationally?

Preservation of separation of church and state. This is a bedrock Baptist principle rooted firmly in our history and the language of the First Amendment. As American culture becomes more antagonistic toward the Christian faith, the natural tendency is for Christians to blur the lines between the church and our government.

Baptists need to oppose the urge to equate loss of religious privilege with religious persecution. The temptation to rely on governmental policies that establish Christianity as the preferred religion will only grow. As Baptists, we should set the example for our brothers and sisters of other denominations of how to resist those temptations.

What would you change about the Baptist denomination—state, nation or local?

If I could do anything, I’d unify it. I’m thirty-three years old, which means I wasn’t alive or was very young when the initial wave of conflict caused rifts in our national and state conventions. There are entire generations—Millennials and Gen Z—of Baptists who have heard the stories of what happened and long for reconciliation.

Each new issue or conflict creates an opportunity for us as Baptists. We either can continue the fracture, focusing on where we disagree, or we can demonstrate to the world that Christian unity doesn’t require we agree on tertiary matters.

About John

Who were/are your mentors, and how did/do they influence you?

My parents have been great mentors for me. In particular, my father James Litzler has been both an occupational and spiritual mentor. Dad has been a practicing attorney my entire life, and he’s never too busy to pick up the phone for me when I need to talk through a tricky legal scenario. I couldn’t have asked for a better model of what it looks like to serve God in your vocation.

Our executive director at Christian Unity Ministries, Blake Coffee, has been another wonderful mentor to me. Blake is also an attorney, and he’s a remarkable example of what combining ministry and marketplace can and should be.

What is the impact of the marketplace on your family?

Being self-employed provides great flexibility in spending time with family, but it’s also difficult to find balance. I am incredibly blessed to be married to Stefanie, the most wonderful person I know. She serves as a Baptist children’s minister. The one-day weekend—I work Fridays, and Stefanie works Sundays—can make visiting extended family challenging. We have a beautiful baby girl, Vivian, who was born last July. She’s our first child; so, it may be a few years before I know the full answer to this question.

Other than the Bible, name some of your favorite books or authors, and explain why.

My favorite author is Mark Twain. I just love his satirical wit. I will read and re-read anything he wrote. I particularly enjoy The Diaries of Adam and Eve.

One of my favorite books is Seeking Allah, Finding Jesus by Nabeel Qureshi. He provides a skeptic’s view of Christianity and a crash course in apologetics as he embarks on his faith journey to learn the truth about Christ.

To Kill a Mockingbird by Harper Lee is another favorite book. Lee’s character Atticus Finch taught me a love for justice and inspired me to pursue a career in law. He reminds me of my father.

What is your favorite Bible verse or passage? Why?

“He has told you, O man, what is good; and what does the Lord require of you but to do justice, and to love kindness, and to walk humbly with your God” (Micah 6:8)?

When my dad wrote me letters in college, he included this verse every time. It’s wonderful instruction at any age, but particularly when you leave home for the first time and begin deciding what following God will look like in your new, much more independent, stage of life.

Name something about you that would surprise people who know you.

Food habits. I’m a native Texan living in San Antonio who doesn’t like Tex-Mex. With how often I frequent coffee shops—almost daily—it usually surprises people to learn I don’t like coffee. I love the atmosphere of both Tex-Mex restaurants and coffee shops, though.

If you could get one “do over” in the marketplace, what would it be, and why?

It’s difficult to say this because of how much I loved my law school experience and the friendships and relationships I built there, but I think I would have taken some time away from education between completing my undergraduate degree and beginning law school. I spent the first several years as an attorney unsure of the direction I wanted my career to take. It might have been wiser to go through that process before incurring all the student loan debt.

Deep in the Hearts of Texans began in 2016 by featuring pastors and grew to include denominational leaders and other ministers in Texas Baptist life. After hearing from some readers interested in profiles of Christians in the marketplace, Deep in the Hearts of Texans is growing again by including those profiles.

Tom Donaldson is a member of the First Baptist Church of Plano. He is a professional coach and provides organizational development. From deep in the heart of one Texan, he shares his background and thoughts on being a follower of Christ in the marketplace. To suggest a Texas Baptist leader in the marketplace to be featured in this column, or to apply to be featured yourself, click here.

Background

What other businesses have you been in, and what were your positions there?

Prior to my current “third” career, I began my professional life with 14 years of vocational Christian ministry, building on a seminary degree and resulting in two roles.

For nine years, I was a Baptist Student Union minister, working with students in two locations in Oklahoma—Oklahoma Panhandle State University in Goodwell and Rose State College in Midwest City—and at West Virginia University in Morgantown.

After BSU ministry, I returned to my home state of Texas and served for five years as the minister to single adults at First Baptist Church in Plano—where we are currently members, since 2002.

My second career was in the computer software industry. I worked for a small software company in Irving, Texas—Membership Services—focused on church administration systems, doing sales, service and training for three years.

After a layoff there, I was fortunate to join Microsoft Corporation, also working in Irving, where I spent 23 years in their customer service and support division as a support engineering manager.

Where did you grow up?

Garland, Texas

How did you come to faith in Christ?

Through a strong spiritual upbringing at the First Baptist Church in Garland, I grew up hearing the gospel of Jesus. At age 9, I made a profession of faith and was baptized in that church, which was the foundation of a spiritual journey continuing to this moment.

Where were you educated, and what degrees did you receive?

• Garland High School, Class of 1966

• North Texas State University—now The University of North Texas, Bachelor of Music degree in music education, 1970

• Southwestern Baptist Theological Seminary, Master of Divinity, 1975.

• University of Texas at Dallas, graduate certificate in executive and professional coaching, 2011

Christian life in the marketplace

Why do you feel called into the marketplace?

In 1988, I decided to leave vocational Christian ministry and relocate my ministry in the marketplace.

It was a “soft” transition into the area of church administration software, followed several years later into what was then the world’s largest software company—Microsoft Corporation.

Although I had many priorities and expectations in my Microsoft career, I always was aware of the potential witness of my values and my words, relating to my faith in Christ. I also was amazed at the opportunities to impact people positively by listening without judgment, and instead encouraging and building up, sometimes sharing a specific faith response to the issues of the day.

It was a privilege and blessing to bring with me out of Microsoft many significant friendships, both believers and those “not yet.”

How does being a Christian influence your decisions in the marketplace?

In this season of life, I have a lot of freedom to choose how I use my time, energy and resources, so aligning those decisions with my identity as an image-bearer and citizen of God’s kingdom is a huge challenge and consideration.

Beyond ethical behavior and uplifting words, I have a responsibility and an opportunity to invest in work that will help people flourish and find new ways of working together to achieve results. This is especially appealing to the younger generations coming into leadership and prominence. It also highlights the importance of human interaction and collaboration, which is exactly the area I love to address.

What one aspect of the marketplace gives you the greatest joy?

I am energized most by the dynamics of teams. We are on the cusp of a whole new body of knowledge about the culture, dynamics and systems of teams.

There will always be a need for coaches working one to one with individual leaders and professionals, but the cutting edge is understanding and increasing the effectiveness of the team as an organism that has a distinct personality and presence in the marketplace and in the world.

What one aspect of the marketplace would you like to change?

Coming back to my theme of teams, there is a huge need for genuine, vulnerability-based trust at the foundation of teams. This kind of trust feeds into accountability, which happens most effectively between peers.

Trust also supports “positive conflict,” which sounds like a misnomer, but simply means: Get all your cards on the table, let everybody have their say, then agree on what you are actually going to do moving forward. This is the only path to achieving organizational results, whether you are Microsoft or a church staff or nonprofit leadership team.

How has your place in the market or your perspective on the marketplace changed?

My obvious big change was moving from the corporate environment of Microsoft—which was very structured and fast-paced—to the somewhat more ambiguous world of a solo entrepreneur. This change has uncovered significant blind spots and dependencies on comfort zones that have been a huge challenge.

Conversely, I have learned from people in very different corporate and business cultures who have widened my view about what is possible and what is needed.

How do you expect the marketplace to change in the next 10 to 20 years?

Changes in technology and the nature of business organizations point to the growing importance of knowledge-based work. In this context, education and learning will be a continuous process involving training and retraining.

Lifelong learning will be the key to success.

If you could launch any new venture, what would it be? Why?

Combining my church and ministry experience with my current work focused on individuals and teams, I would love to extend coaching and team development more fully to church pastors and leaders in the Baptist family. There are already pockets of this work scattered around the country, but our congregational polity and multiple denominational groups have worked against this expansion in the Baptist world.

Name the three most significant challenges and/or influences facing your place in the market.

1. Developing a unique brand among all the coaching and consulting voices in the marketplace.

2. Marketing myself effectively to my “ideal customer.”

3. Distinguishing “coaching”—of individuals and teams—as a unique approach in contrast with consulting or training.

What do you wish more people knew about the marketplace?

I wish for more coaching leaders who will invest in the growth and development of their people along with the traditional business functions of product and service development, marketing, sales, finance, etc.

About Baptists

What are the key issues facing Baptists—denominationally and/or congregationally?

The biggest issue is: Who are Baptists? We have significant organizations at various levels that compete with one another for support and engagement. Modern issues—such as the role of women and human sexuality—have divided us into camps with a list of policy positions.

It is difficult for our fellow citizens to see Baptists in a positive light when we squabble with each other and focus on what we are against instead of what we embrace and support.

What would you change about the Baptist denomination—state, nation or local?

Aside from the difficulties already cited, the change we need is to develop a transformational leadership makeover from local churches on up that is willing to step away from “what we have always done” and “what we know works” into new ways of engaging our communities and deploying our members into mission and ministry in the post-Christendom world. And by “post-Christendom,” I mean the very real world of the 21^st-century in which the majority influencing group is not white, Protestant Christians like me.

About Tom

Who were/are your mentors, and how did/do they influence you?

A high school choir director, Jim Henderson, who created a magical team experience filled with loyalty and excellence at Garland High School in the 1960s.

A pastor in West Virginia, Dr. Carlisle Driggers, who believed in me in my 20s and treated me like a full partner in ministry.

A manager at Microsoft, a woman named Chris Thompson, who combined passion and energy with a person-centric approach that inspired greatness.

The most prominent one is my life and spiritual mentor of over 50 years, Dr. Britton Wood of Fort Worth. He was our BSU director at North Texas when I was a student, went on to pioneer single adult ministry in the SBC, and then became a leading voice in marriage education. Today at age 85, he and his wife Dr. Bobbye Wood speak, lead marriage enrichment events and have just published their latest book, showing no signs of slowing down. Britton models everything I want to be as a Christ-follower and leader in today’s world.

What did you learn on the job you wish you learned elsewhere?

That vulnerability and trust are the keys to success. When I learned to say: “I messed up … I’m sorry … I don’t know,” and quit trying to look good all the time, I found a new freedom to lead from a more authentic and believable place.

What is the impact of the marketplace on your family?

Being a part of Microsoft for 23 years had a positive impact on our family. We were able to fund college education for our daughter and son and had many other advantages and experiences in our family. In contrast, I don’t miss the days when I woke up, checked email on my phone and sorted through 40-50 messages arriving overnight to find the three or four that needed immediate attention.

Other than the Bible, name some of your favorite books or authors, and explain why.

• Come to the Party by Karl Olsson, which puts ministry and performance into perspective.

• Leadership and Self-Deception from The Arbinger Institute, which nails the idea of vulnerability-based trust.

• The Prodigal God by Timothy Keller, one of many Keller books that fuel modern conversations about the gospel.

• The Five Dysfunctions of a Team by Patrick Lencioni, who writes extensively, leads in the area of organizational health and happens to be a Catholic layman.

What is your favorite Bible verse or passage? Why?

Matthew 11:28-30—especially in The Message—which begins with: “Are you tired? Worn out? Burned out on religion? Come to me … ” and closes with: “I won’t lay anything heavy or ill-fitting on you. Keep company with me and you’ll learn to live freely and lightly.” This reminds me that joining with Jesus in the work he already has underway is the best way to live and serve.

Who is your favorite Bible character, other than Jesus? Why?

Barnabas. He is the coaching leader in Acts, working offstage to connect people and advance the kingdom. He believed in a young John Mark and had the courage to part company with Paul when they disagreed. Much later, Paul asks Timothy to “get Mark and bring him with you, for he is very useful to me for ministry.” Full circle…

Name something about you that would surprise people who know you.

From a young age, I have been a “car nut.” Drive by in your 1960s collector car, and I can tell you the year, make and model without fail.

If you could get one “do over” in the marketplace, what would it be, and why?

I would have the courage to reach for positions of greater leadership and responsibility at Microsoft or elsewhere. For too many years, I took the “safe” road, recycling what I knew would work and not putting myself at too much risk.

Lee Welch has been the executive director of Dogwood Trails Baptist Association in Jacksonville, Texas, since 2009. From deep in the heart of one Texan, he shares his background and thoughts on associational ministry and the church. To suggest a Baptist General Convention of Texas-affiliated leader to be featured in this column, or to apply to be featured yourself, click here.

Background

Where else have you worked, and what were your positions?

• Pastor, First Baptist Church in Rusk, Texas, 2000-2009
• Pastor, First Baptist Church in Anson, Texas, 1990-2000
• Pastor, First Baptist Church in Murchison, Texas, 1981-1990
• Pastor, Martins Mill Baptist Church in Martins Mill, Texas, 1975-1981
• Pastor, Alamance Baptist Church in Atlanta, Texas, 1974-1975

Where did you grow up?

My father was a Baptist pastor and served several churches during my youth. I was born in Wichita Falls and lived in that area as well as Oklahoma, Kansas and West Texas. Then when I was a freshman in high school, we moved to Lovington, New Mexico, where I graduated.

How did you come to faith in Christ?

Growing up in a pastor’s family, I was exposed to the gospel on a daily basis. At the age of 14, while living in Levelland, Texas, I repented of my sin and received Jesus as my Savior and Lord.

Where were you educated, and what degrees did you receive?

• Bachelor of Science from the University of Texas at Tyler
• Graduate level classes at Baptist Missionary Association Seminary in Jacksonville, Texas, and Southwestern Seminary in Fort Worth, Texas

Ministry life

Why do you feel called to your particular vocation?

When I was 16, I sensed a “call to preach,” and I made a commitment to pursue God’s call. Soon after that, it became clear that local church ministry was God’s plan for my life. For 39 years, I served as pastor to a church family, and for the past 9-plus, years I have served a family of churches.

Please tell us about your association—where it’s located, the key focus of its work and ministry, etc.

Dogwood Trails Baptist Association includes Southern Baptist churches in Anderson, Cherokee and Henderson counties, although we do have a few churches located outside those counties. The office is in Jacksonville. We are a small town and rural area.

What do you like best about leading your association? Why?

I really enjoy fellowship with pastors and other church leaders. It is my goal to encourage younger ministers to pursue excellence and steadfast devotion to ministry and to challenge older ministers to finish strong with integrity and no regrets.

What aspect(s) of associational ministry and/or its mission do you wish more people understood?

I wish more people had more of a sense of community among churches. The association actually exists for the same reason as state conventions and the national convention—to do missions together that we could not do alone. Dogwood Trails Baptist Association promotes both local and global missions. When it comes to gospel ministry, you can’t have too many partners.

What one aspect of your job gives you the greatest joy or fulfillment?

I enjoy the opportunity to train and assist pastor search committees as they seek a new pastor. Since I literally have been in the ministry all of my life, I believe I can help a search committee stay on the proper course and discern God’s direction.

About Baptists

What are the key issues facing Baptists as a people or denomination?

The primary issue for me is the conflict between political pressures and biblical truth.

About Lee

Who were/are your mentors, and how did/do they influence you?

My parents raised my two sisters, one brother and me in a pastor’s home where—even when times were hard—serving Jesus was worth any price we had to pay. I was loved by them and taught to love the local church.

I was also exposed to so many pastors and evangelists through those formative years from whom I caught a passion for serving Jesus. And my dad continued to inspire me through the years as he pastored for over 60 years and went on to heaven this past year at the age of 90.

Other than the Bible, name some of your favorite books or authors, and explain why.

I enjoy Pastor Adrian Rogers and Evangelist Junior Hill for their sermons and quick wit. And John Philips’ commentaries are especially appealing to me.

Who is your favorite Bible character, other than Jesus? Why?

I would probably say Deacon Stephen. He was just a regular guy who desired to please Jesus with his life, and because of his devotion, at his death, Stephen received a standing ovation from Jesus.

Ferrell Foster is the director of ethics and justice for the Texas Baptist Christian Life Commission, having served in Texas Baptist life since 2000. From deep in the heart of one Texan, he shares his background and thoughts on associational ministry and the church. To suggest a Baptist General Convention of Texas-affiliated leader to be featured in this column, or to apply to be featured yourself, click here.

Background

Where else have you served in ministry, and what were your positions there?

• Co-Pastor, Grace Southern Baptist Church in Virden, Illinois
• Editor (previously associate editor), Illinois Baptist
• Managing Editor, Marshall (Texas) New Messenger

Where did you grow up?

Pleasant Grove in southeast Dallas

How did you come to faith in Christ?

I prayed to receive Christ in my living room with my pastor, Brother Wallace. This was more a formality. My parents essentially led me to Christ by how they lived.

Where were you educated, and what degrees did you receive?

• Bachelor of Science, East Texas State University (now Texas A&M, Commerce)
• Master of Divinity, New Orleans Baptist Theological Seminary
• Doctor of Ministry, Logsdon Seminary, Hardin-Simmons University

Ministry life

Why do you feel called into ministry?

I feel called into relationship with Christ, and that call has always felt like a call to ministry, even when I was working in the mainstream marketplace. Life is ministry for the Jesus follower.

What is your favorite aspect of ministry? Why?

Learning and teaching. I love learning about living in fruitful relationship with the Divine and sharing what I learn with others. This is how I’m hard-wired. I’m always seeking to learn, and once I discover something I am drawn to share it.

What one aspect of ministry gives you the greatest joy?

Walking alongside people. I need others in my life, and it is very rewarding and humbling when God seems to use me to help others. But I’m essentially an introvert who gets recharged in my alone times.

How has your ministry or your perspective on ministry changed?

It has remained amazingly consistent. When I was a layperson, I believed all Christ followers are called into ministry. Having been ordained a deacon and then a minister, I still feel we are all in this together. Ordination is sort of a shorthand to convey information quickly to others—this person has been recognized by others as a person willing to minister.

How do you expect ministry to change in the next 10 to 20 years?

I hope ministry will become more natural and less a profession, which is more biblical. And I think we are moving in that direction. Not that ministry as a profession is bad or wrong, but it is secondary. All of us should minister, and the “church” will decide to pay some to serve the church in specific ways. Whether or not we get paid, we should be seeking to serve God and God’s people.

If you could launch any new ministry—individually, through your congregation or through another organization—what would it be? Why?

Old folks for young folks. At age 63, I’m an old guy (relatively), and my primary personal ministry is to help those coming after me—not to tell them how to do things but to offer a sounding board for them. Some of us Boomers think Millennials and others have hung the moon.

What do you wish more laypeople knew about ministry or, specifically, your ministry?

I wish more laypeople saw themselves as much a minister as their “ministers,” and I wish more “ministers” saw that, as well. I also wish more non-vocational ministers would help undergird the vocational ministers in their lives with prayer and community. Vocational ministers are people, too.

About Baptists

What are the key issues facing Baptists—denominationally and/or congregationally?

As always, we face a real challenge in resisting the pull of culture. I cannot stop being a white man who grew up in a particular family in Texas and is a participant in the American evangelical culture of my time and place, but I can allow God to bend me away from the things in my culture(s) that are inconsistent with the example and teachings of Christ. It is a never-ending process, what I like to call continuing conversion.

What would you change about the Baptist denomination—state, nation or local?

That we would be more church-centered. I have worked for two state conventions and one Southern Baptist institution. Conventions and institutions serve the church, not the other way around. Denominations help the churches pursue kingdom purposes, or they are just in the way. We say we are church-centered, but we sometimes act as if conventions are the lead dog and as if denominational jobs are promotions.

About Ferrell

Who were/are your mentors, and how did/do they influence you?

John Hessel. Brother John taught me two things when I was a teenager—Christians can have fun, and they don’t have to check their brains at the door.

Keith Stanford. He taught me so much just by getting to hang with him on the Illinois Baptist convention staff. He was older and wiser than me, and like Brother John, he was fun-loving and affirming of the life of the mind. I still remember the day I came to the lunch table and asked Keith why Moby Dick was considered a great book; it bored me. He proceeded to help me see beyond my own mental vision.

What did you learn on the job you wish you learned in seminary?

More theology. Fisher Humphreys gave me a good dose in seminary, but I only took one course. There was so much more I needed to know in sorting out different theologies and especially in historical theology.

Other than the Bible, name some of your favorite books or authors, and explain why.

C.S. Lewis. He wrote with such beauty and insight. Reading his novel, Perelandra, while I was in college showed me there were Christians who saw life with more depth and understanding than I normally encountered. And his The Great Divorce is powerful, not to mention his non-fiction. So much, so good.

Jesus and the Disinherited, by Howard Thurman. Oh, my! This book helped me see better both Jesus and the vulnerable.

Straight Talk to Men and Their Wives, by James Dobson. I read this as a young father, and it helped me keep perspective on all aspects of life. It helped me keep God and family as priorities instead of career. It grieved me when Dobson got more and more into politics.

Anything by Diana Butler Bass. I like reading outside of my gender, race, and religious categories. Bass has helped me see things I might have otherwise missed.

Becoming Good, Becoming Holy, by Mark O’Keefe. When I read this a few years ago it was like finding the words I had always wanted to say. It’s about Christian ethics and spirituality; they go together.

What is your favorite Bible verse or passage? Why?

Luke 10:27. The Great Commandment sums up Jesus, the broader biblical revelation, and all that I have found to be important in living life.

Who is your favorite Bible character, other than Jesus? Why?

David. Slaying giants and being humbled by sin are good lessons to learn.

If you could get one “do over” in ministry, what would it be, and why?

An answer to that question would not come from a healthy place. Our lives are what they are. We learn from the mistakes—ours and others. If we did a “do over,” we would create new “do overs.” I wouldn’t do anything differently because a flawed life has taught me grace—from God, to others, to myself.

Steve Doyle has been the director of missions for the Creath-Brazos Baptist Association in College Station since 2018. From deep in the heart of one Texan, he shares his background and thoughts on associational ministry and the church. To suggest a Baptist General Convention of Texas-affiliated leader to be featured in this column, or to apply to be featured yourself, click here.

Background

Where else have you worked, and what were your positions?

In 2006, I planted Harbins Community Baptist Church in Dacula, Georgia, and pastored it until I came here. Prior to pastoring Harbins, I served as a children’s pastor at First Baptist Church in Snellville, Georgia, and prior to that, I was the children’s pastor at First Baptist Church in Bentonville, Arkansas. All in all, I have been in vocational ministry for 19 years.

Where did you grow up?

My formative years were lived in Quito, Ecuador as a missionary kid. We moved there when I was 7 after a year in language school in Costa Rica.

How did you come to faith in Christ?

It was during a chapel service at Alliance Academy in Quito—when I was 9 years old—that I remember fully understanding that the gospel was for me and that I needed to respond to the gospel call. I raised my hand as the preacher presented the gospel and asked who would like to respond. But then, when he called us forward, I chickened out and stayed in my seat. That night I told my dad that I think I got “half-saved” in chapel. He smiled and graciously explained that it wasn’t the hand raised or the walking the aisle that was important, but rather it was whether or not I believed the claims of Christ and surrendered to him in my heart. I was baptized soon after at Iglesia Bautista Vida Nueva in Quito.

Where were you educated, and what degrees did you receive?

After graduating high-school from Alliance Academy in Quito, I went to Hardin-Simmons University in Abilene, where I graduated with a bachelor of science degree in communication in 1994. In 2004, I graduated with my master of divinity degree from Southern Baptist Theological Seminary in Louisville, Kentucky.

About Ministry

Why do you feel called to your particular vocation?

I have a passion for the local church and for pastors and feel called to help pastors lead healthy churches to extend the gospel of Jesus Christ both locally and globally.

Please tell us about your association—where it’s located, the key focus of its work and ministry, etc.

Our association is located in Bryan/College Station, but encompasses Brazos, Grimes, Waller, Madison and even part of Leon counties.

Our key focus in 2019 is church health. Our mission statement is that we exist to glorify God through partnering, mobilizing and strengthening churches to extend the gospel of Jesus Christ. In my first year, we want to focus on that last verb: strengthening. We cannot be mobilized or partnered effectively if we are not first healthy.

What do you like best about leading your association? Why?

I love just sitting with pastors and hearing the stories of how God has been working in and through them and their churches.

What aspect(s) of associational ministry and/or its mission do you wish more people understood?

I wish people understood the challenge of getting autonomous churches to strategically work together for gospel goals.

How has your association and its mission changed since you began your career?

Well, I am new to associational life, but I can tell you that associations have to change if they want to be relevant.

I know that as a pastor, my interaction with the association I was part of was hampered by that association’s inability to modernize and leverage technology to help churches face the unique challenges of our day.

The mission of the association can no longer be that of a denominational clearing house or gatekeeper. Instead, we must become network strategists who draw from a variety of resources to help churches strategically work together. That involves vision casting, coaching, consulting and more.

Associational leaders can just sit and assume they are relevant or even that they will exist in five years. Instead, we must be proactively engaged in implementing strategies that will strengthen local churches to do their task of changing the world with the gospel of Jesus Christ.

How do you expect your association and/or its mission to change in the next 10 to 20 years?

Well, I touched on some of that above. But associations, I believe, will have to become more streamlined so as to do more with less and more focused so as to acutely provide value to their member churches.

What value-contribution associations can offer to their churches will vary largely on the community context, but regardless, each association must find its niche and lean into it so as to make themselves an invaluable and irreplaceable part of their churches’ lives.

Name the three most significant challenges and/or influences facing your association.

1. Our association must become relevant again to our churches.

2. Church health. We have some very healthy churches, but we also have some unhealthy ones and many who don’t realize they are unhealthy. Like many associations, there are several churches on life-support and several who will be there within five years. So, revitalization and replanting are needed now and will be needed even more in the coming years.

3. Bryan/College Station is a very conservative and comfortable place for many people. But the world is changing and diversifying, and so many of our churches must get out of their comfort zone in order to impact a rapidly changing culture.

What one aspect of your job gives you the greatest joy or fulfillment?

I get great joy in seeing pastors encouraged and equipped to shepherd their flocks well.

About Baptists

What are the key issues—opportunities and/or challenges—facing Baptist churches?

I think the key issues facing Baptists are on three fronts.

1. The denomination must remember its core Baptist distinctives, including separation of church and state. As everything from the cereal you eat to the TV you watch becomes overtly political, the church—especially the Baptist church—must not!

2. The declining and plateaued church situation is both a challenge and opportunity. With 75 percent of our churches in a dead or dying state, we have a great opportunity for renewal and revitalization that could spark revival. But we’ve got to look reality in the face, and churches have got to be willing to sacrifice their sacred cows and repent of said idolatry in order to experience a fresh wind of God’s Spirit.

3. Finally, we must learn how to fight for biblical truth while holding biblical tensions. Only then can we charitably agree to charitably disagree on secondary and tertiary issues.

What are the key issues facing Baptists as a people or denomination?

No issue is pressing in on the evangelical church—including Baptists—more than that of the new sexual revolutions. The LGBTQ issues and social waves are nothing short of a revolution that redefines humanity itself. The church must know how to courageously and compassionately swim against the cultural stream so as to hold the grace of the gospel of Jesus Christ high for all to see.

As has been the case for many years now, Baptists are facing unity issues. Some top-tier issues of gospel and biblical fidelity are worth fighting for, but there are too many secondary and tertiary issues that we fight about, which in turn affect our ability to cooperate. Wisdom is needed to navigate underneath the wide umbrella of Southern Baptist with charity, yet also with clarity and faithfulness to the Scriptures.

What would you change about the Baptist denomination—state, nation or local?

I wish I had a magic wand that would eliminate the bureaucracy and also eliminate the redundancy within the denomination. Some of the redundancy is due to theological splits, other is simply due to bloated structures. If we are to survive and effectively impact the world for the gospel in the next half-century, we will have to streamline a lot of things. Praise God that we are starting to see some of this happen.

About Steve

Who were/are your mentors, and how did/do they influence you?

My first and greatest mentor was and is my father, Larry Doyle. My dad was a pastor, missionary and later a director of missions. But beyond those roles, he was a godly role-model and friend.

The most influential man in my life outside of my father was my high-school soccer coach, Dan Egler. Mr. Egler taught me about integrity and perseverance.

Larry Doyle and Dan Egler are two of the godliest men I’ve ever met.

Other than the Bible, name some of your favorite books or authors, and explain why.

• Desiring God, by John Piper. It provides the theological grounding for doing ministry with great joy and for the glory of God. Another book by Piper which is invaluable to me is Let the Nations be Glad.

• Dangerous Calling, by Paul Tripp, is one of the best books to help pastors face the challenges of such a high calling.

• Instruments in the Redeemers Hands, another book by Tripp, is a guidebook for biblical counseling.

• Mere Christianity, by C. S. Lewis, remains to this day one of the best apologetic resources I can think of.

• The Conviction to Lead, by Al Mohler, is by far the best leadership book I’ve ever read, and it impacts me on a weekly basis.

• On the biography side of things, David McCollough’s John Adams is awesome and very informative. I also enjoyed Lincoln by Ronald C. White.

• The Kingdom of God, by Jeffery Johnson, is a phenomenal biblical theology book that I greatly appreciate. It helps one to more readily see the connective tissues of the whole narrative of the Bible.

• Finally, I loved To End All Wars, by Earnest Gordan, as it described the horrors of World War II, yet the reconciliation and rebirth that God can bring out of such devastation.

What is your favorite Bible verse or passage? Why?

My favorite Bible verse has always been John 16:33. Jesus, as he is culminating his ministry and giving final words to his disciples, tells them: “I have said these things to you, that in me you may have peace. In the world you will have tribulation. But take heart; I have overcome the world.” Those words have carried me many times and drive me to preach a gospel of surrender and service to God that may or may not involve many difficulties and tribulations.

Who is your favorite Bible character, other than Jesus? Why?

Probably the Apostle Paul. Paul’s passion for planting new churches and support healthy ones is something I seek to emulate.

Name something about you that would surprise people who know you well.

I enjoy watching Hallmark movies with my wife. I can’t believe I just admitted that!

If you could get one “do over” in your career, what would it be, and why?

I don’t spend much time thinking about “do overs” because I do not find it helpful or in line with what Paul teaches us in Philippians 3, but … I guess I wish I had focused more on my home in the first years of ministry. I allowed the ministry to consume me, and as a result, my family got hurt. By God’s grace, we have and will overcome, but I wish I had been wiser.

Craig Denison is the author and founder of a daily devotional ministry launched in 2015 called First15, which guides over 130,000 in more than 200 countries into a meaningful time alone with God, and the chief strategy officer for Denison Ministries, an organization started by his father—Jim Denison—and includes First15, the Denison Forum and Christian Parenting.

From deep in the heart of one Texan, he shares his background and thoughts on ministry. To suggest a Texas Baptist leader in the marketplace to be featured in this column, or to apply to be featured yourself, click here.

Background

Where else have you served in ministry, and what were your positions there?

My wife and I also were the worship pastors at a community church in Dallas for a little over 2 and a half years while we were beginning First15.

Where did you grow up?

We moved around just a bit as Dad served as the pastor of First Baptist in Midland and 2^ndPonce de Leon Baptist in Atlanta. But I mostly grew up in Dallas when Dad moved us to be the pastor of Park Cities Baptist Church.

How did you come to faith in Christ?

I remember having a very real pull on my heart from the Holy Spirit at a young age. My family would pray every evening, and I saw my Dad practice a vibrant personal faith in addition to hearing him teach every week publicly. So, I think a combination of searching while surrounded by authentic believers led to my true faith in Christ.

Where were you educated, and what degrees did you receive?

I started my college experience at Ouachita Baptist University studying music, and then transferred to Dallas Baptist University to graduate in 2012 with a bachelor of arts degree in biblical studies with a minor in music.

Ministry life

Why do you feel called into ministry?

A couple of years into my college experience, I found the rhythm of experiencing God in a real, private way every morning. And it absolutely transformed my life. Meeting with God has carried me through the ups and downs, good and bad of life since that time.

So, when the opportunity to write First15 came up, to help other believers around the world find this rhythm that had changed everything for me, I jumped at it.

And beyond the initial call, I wake up every morning with a yearning to satisfy God’s heart to meet with his people. If I can help just one more person discover the reality of God’s nearness and love, it’s worth my life.

What is your favorite aspect of ministry? Why?

My favorite aspect of ministry is searching the heart of God for his passion for his people.

When I get even a taste of God’s love in a way that’s fresh and real, I really feel that I’m able to see myself, others and the world around me through his lens of love.

What one aspect of ministry gives you the greatest joy?

My greatest joy is when I hear that someone who has always wanted to spend time alone with God, but just never found what they needed to be consistent, develops a real rhythm of meeting with God through First15.

What one aspect of ministry would you like to change?

If I could change anything, it would be disunity I so often see between fellow ministers. I truly believe God is calling his church to a greater level of humility than we as leaders are modeling, and in our pride, we’re missing out on the work we can only accomplish together.

How has your ministry or your perspective on ministry changed?

Every year, I value what’s real in ministry over the way I wish it was a little bit more. What I mean is going deeper into the human experience, and validating the human experience, before trying to preach the answers. Practically, that looks like asking a lot more questions than giving answers and spending more time listening than talking.

How do you expect ministry to change in the next 10 to 20 years?

Across the next 10 to 20 years, I expect ministry to be far more focused on using digital tools to resource the church and connect the world to real relationship with God. And inside of that is a real opportunity to find the spaces and times where people can connect face-to-face and maximize the relationship between digital and physical ministry.

If you could launch any new ministry—individually, through your church or through another organization—what would it be? Why?

I would launch a ministry focused on building relationship and unity between ministry leaders, congregations and believers. God has asked to show the world who he is by our love for one another, so the world will either know him or live their lives without him based on our willingness to humble ourselves and love.

Name the three most significant challenges and/or influences facing your ministry.

My greatest challenges are:

• Competing for the attention of God’s people with digital spaces like Facebook and Instagram
• Finding fresh ways to encourage God’s people to give him the very first minutes of their day
• Raising the funds necessary to provide this guide to God’s presence free of charge to all of God’s people

My greatest influences are:

• Authors who are willing to dig deep into the good and bad of the human experience
• Entrepreneurs who continually find a way to see what people need and meet that need in an authentic way
• Faith leaders who have given their life to true prayer, listening to God and proclaiming his heart in a way that’s free of fear and judgment

What do you wish more laypeople knew about ministry or, specifically, your ministry?

Just how to find us and which platform would be most useful for them in seeing their desire to grow closer to God realized.

If it’s helpful, we share our free devotional every day on our website, by email, on our mobile app and in our podcast.

About Craig

Who were/are your mentors, and how did/do they influence you?

My mentor has always been my father, Jim Denison. And I’ve been most influenced by seeing his passion to know God personally come before any passion he has professionally.

In addition to my father, I had a wonderful mentor in high school named Barrett Kingsriter who had tremendous influence in connecting my faith with my profession and family. Another mentor in college named Jon Cole taught me to live my life on a foundation of principles. And since graduating college, a few mentors—namely Larry Mills—have taught me how to be successful in a way that’s meaningful and authentic.

What did you learn on the job you wish you learned in seminary?

I wish I would have learned how to ask better questions and listen, or how to learn from others better. With so much focus on who God is and how to study Scripture, I think the process of earning a degree in ministry can often overlook the need to focus on people and the human experience.

What is the impact of ministry on your family?

Like most things in life, being a vocational minister has aspects that are wonderful and challenging. On the one hand, I know my family has a deeper connection to God and his people with my constant focus on ministry. And that’s a real gift. On the other hand, work can carry a weight with it, and it’s challenging to leave that weight at the door when I’m spending time focusing on them. And I know that has an effect as well.

Other than the Bible, name some of your favorite books or authors, and explain why.

This is probably the toughest question. I’ll just name a few that come to mind right now knowing I’d probably give a different list tomorrow.

A.W. Tozer, The Pursuit of God, was a really formative book for me both personally and professionally. His ability to concisely summarize how to seek after God while retaining a depth and tremendous amount of wisdom is something I strive for.

Brother Lawrence, The Practice of the Presence of God, is something I’m constantly reading and referencing. His words speak to the heart of what I believe relationship with God is supposed to be about. And his wisdom has helped create an undercurrent of abiding that carries me through whatever it is I am doing.

Don Delillo, White Noise, is a book I’ve just finished. Written in the mid-1980s, it’s a fascinating, albeit hopeless look at the constant stimulation we’re wading through every day. I really appreciate his ability to describe the human condition and have been pondering since finishing it about how prophetic it is and what he would say about our world today some 30 years later.

What is your favorite Bible verse or passage? Why?

Similar to the question on books, I would probably give you a different answer tomorrow. But right now, I would say Psalm 84 is my favorite personal passage. It’s a constant source of encouragement to me that God’s nearness is here. If the birds of the air could place their offspring in the altars of God, ever singing his praise, then how much closer is God to me than I realize.

Who is your favorite Bible character, other than Jesus? Why?

I resonate with David the most out of all the other biblical characters. His willingness to continually seek after God through writing, song, prayer and his unrelenting honesty and hope is something I strive to model my own life after.

Name something about you that would surprise people who know you.

I took one of my best friends, Stephen Murray, to a Mavericks game this past weekend, at which he told me he was really surprised by how “into” sports I am. I’m a huge Mavericks and Cowboys fan and probably spend too much time scrolling around my ESPN app on my phone.

If you could get one “do over” in ministry, what would it be, and why?

If I could have one “do over,” it would probably be setting better boundaries around me and my wife in our time as worship pastors. I bought too easily into the lie that the need of others trumps my calling in our time of serving on staff at a church. And I think I could have served those people better had I had the confidence only to do the ministry God was calling me to at the time.

Deep in the Hearts of Texans began in 2016 by featuring pastors and grew to include denominational leaders and other ministers in Texas Baptist life. After hearing from some readers interested in profiles of Christians in the marketplace, Deep in the Hearts of Texans is growing again.

Darrell Dunton, a member of First Baptist Church in Midland and a member of the Baptist Standard board of directors, is the first Christian in the marketplace to be featured in Deep in the Hearts of Texans.

Darrell Dunton is the owner of Admarc Advertising Design in Midland, Texas, and has been in the graphic design business for 43 years. From deep in the heart of one Texan, he shares his background and thoughts on being a follower of Christ in the marketplace. To suggest a Texas Baptist leader in the marketplace to be featured in this column, or to apply to be featured yourself, click here.

Background

What other businesses have you been in, and what were your positions there?

Only the graphic design industry. I worked for an advertising agency in Midland as a graphic design artist for eight years after graduation from college then started my own design firm in 1983.

Where did you grow up?

I was born at Harris Hospital in Fort Worth and moved to Midland when my dad was transferred with Gulf Oil in 1957.

How did you come to faith in Christ?

Through the testimony and words of my mom in my bedroom in May of 1963. I then made a public profession that summer at a Billy Graham Evangelistic Association crusade event at Memorial Stadium in Midland, Texas, followed by a public profession at my home church—First Baptist Church in Midland—and was baptized the following week by L.L. Morris.

Where were you educated, and what degrees did you receive?

I received an associate in arts degree from Texas State Technical Institute in 1975. The majority of my education has come from practical life experiences.

Life in the marketplace

Why do you feel called into the marketplace?

Because I feel it offers me the best place to use my talents. I love the quote from Fredrick Buechner: “The place God calls you to is to the place where your deep gladness and the world’s deep hunger meet.” I believe God has placed me at that intersection.

How does being a Christian influence your decisions in the marketplace?

It gives me a focus on what is truly important—God’s answers, not mine.

What is your favorite aspect of the marketplace? Why?

Getting to meet all kinds of people from presidents to kings and discuss their relationship with Christ in an everyday setting called life.

What one aspect of the marketplace gives you the greatest joy?

Getting to listen to others’ concerns, problems and challenges and then providing creative solutions, which are not always in the area of graphic design.

What one aspect of the marketplace would you like to change?

The misconception and sometimes belief that talking about Jesus is only to be done in a church setting.

How has your place in the market or your perspective on the marketplace changed?

The biggest change was a number of years ago when God changed my attitude that interruptions were instead opportunities.

How do you expect the marketplace to change in the next 10 to 20 years?

It will be more difficult to share your faith openly, but then again Jesus already told us that.

If you could launch any new venture, what would it be? Why?

Not sure there is anything new that can be created. I truly believe that we were all created by a creator to be creative. I would want to empower young people collectively to use their creative talents to be a force in the world to show and share Jesus.

Name the three most significant challenges and/or influences facing your place in the market.

1. Identity: Know who you are in Jesus.
2. Boldness: Using that identity to be Christ in the marketplace.
3. Humility: Using that identity boldly, tempered with a humble heart.

What do you wish more people knew about the marketplace?

That it is not partitioned but is life. It is the best place to show and be Jesus to the world because it is where Jesus spent most of his life.

About Baptists

What are the key issues facing Baptists—denominationally and/or congregationally?

Polarization and sometimes unwillingness to accept other traditions/styles.

What would you change about the Baptist denomination—state, nation or local?

The sometimes bulky committee structure for decision-making. Give more focus to prayer and the Holy Spirit.

About Darrell

Who were/are your mentors, and how did/do they influence you?

There were a number of mentors from childhood to present like my mom and dad, my wife, Charlie Elliott, Mark Blankenship, Daniel Vestal, David Johnson, Charlie Dodd, Kim Harris, Dale Pond, Greg Smith, Jim Denison, Randel Everett and Chad Clark, to name a few. Each of these individuals have influenced my Christian walk through example, humility, words and presence.

What did you learn on the job you wish you learned elsewhere?

How to, with humility, focus on the bigger picture than the project at hand.

What is the impact of the marketplace on your family?

Because it is where I live, everything. I have tried always to keep a balance in faith, work and family. It’s not what you leave to them, but what you leave in them.

Other than the Bible, name some of your favorite books or authors, and explain why.

Fresh Wind, Fresh Fire by Jim Cymbala; Prayer by Philip Yancey; The Circle Maker by Mark Batterson; Experiencing the Spirit by Henry Blackaby; Leading with the Heart by Mike Krzyzewski; Anointed for Business by Ed Silvoso; Lead Like Jesus by Ken Blanchard; Red Moon Rising by Peter Krieg

What is your favorite Bible verse or passage? Why?

Isaiah 40:31. Having worked with youth for over 30 years, the verse has special meaning, but it has grown to mean even more—the older I get—to know the hope that can only be found in Jesus.

Who is your favorite Bible character, other than Jesus? Why?

Peter, because he said what he thought, many times without thinking about the outcome, with which I very much can identify. I love his boldness to share the Gospel through the power of the Holy Spirit.

Name something about you that would surprise people who know you.

That I am somewhat of an introvert and love time alone.

If you could get one “do over” in the marketplace, what would it be, and why?

Taking time in prayer to really “seek and know” the heart of some of my previous business partners.

Eric Small is the executive director of Pineywoods Baptist Encampment, where he has been since 1990. From deep in the heart of one Texan, he shares his background and thoughts on camp ministry. To suggest a Baptist General Convention of Texas-affiliated leader to be featured in this column, or to apply to be featured yourself, click here.

Background

Where else have you served in ministry, and what were your positions there?

Before Pineywoods, I was a volunteer in churches leading boys programs, youth choir, etc., and then I surrendered to God’s call on my life and became the youth and music minister at First Baptist Church in Groveton in the 1980s.

Where did you grow up?

Orange, Texas

How did you come to faith in Christ?

I grew up in a strong Christian home and was impressed by my dad not just to accept teachings and doctrine, but to ask our pastor to explain out of Scripture the basis for our beliefs.

As a boy, I remember eavesdropping on a conversation my dad had with our pastor in our home.

Eventually, the reality hit me that I was not connected to God, and under conviction of the Holy Spirit one night at Royal Ambassador camp at East Texas Baptist Camp, I walked to the front during invitation fully expecting to give my life to Christ. The man who met me turned me around and told me to go home and tell my pastor, which was not what I expected. Bewildered, I sat back down.

When I got home, I told my brother of my experience, and he urgently told me I had to take care of this if God was calling me. So that next day—Sunday—I went to talk to my pastor, Roy Parker, and gave my life to Christ.

Where were you educated, and what degrees did you receive?

Bachelor of forestry with a specialization in parks and recreation from Stephen F. Austin

About camp ministry

Why do you feel called into camp ministry?

During my ministry at First Baptist in Groveton, I felt there was something else I should be doing and drove myself crazy trying to figure it out. I went to Southwestern Seminary for a year but was losing hope and chasing after a peace I could not find.

Then on a mountainside at Glorieta, I read Psalm 37:7, which says: “Rest in the Lord and wait patiently for him.” It spoke to me that my life was not my problem but his. I committed to be the best youth and music minister I could be where I was until he let me know what was next. It was very freeing to be reminded God is directing my path.

Sometime later, as I was fixing a sewer problem at my house with equipment borrowed from Pineywoods and was in a conversation with the manager, John Hyde. Out of the blue, he said I should be in camp ministry.

I really wanted to be very sure this was God’s will. I prayed about it, and John asked me to make a list of everything I had done that had prepared me for camp ministry. Between classes that Monday at seminary, I made my list.

I had a forestry degree with specialization in parks and rec. I had worked some construction jobs. I was the maintenance man at an apartment complex during college. I’m an outdoor enthusiast. I led a Royal Ambassador program during and after college. I have architectural drafting skills. I was a youth minister. I am called to ministry.

And then the peace came. I called John. He just had a man quit, and I started at Pineywoods in February of 1990.

What is your favorite aspect of camp ministry? Why?

Favorite is hard to define. I love to tell the story of God’s faithfulness over the years and his amazing story through Pineywoods. I love the faith that he has grown in me as I serve.

I love to see the impact on lives as they experience his grace through the ministry here. I love the long-term and new fresh relationships I have been able to develop throughout the years. I love the fact that many of the adult sponsors bringing children and youth now began coming here as children—and I was the manager then.

I love the team God has assembled here, the longevity we have been blessed with and the family we have become. I love the freshness the summer staff brings each year and their energy and enthusiasm to serve. I love knowing I am blessed to be a part of something so much beyond me.

What one aspect of camp ministry would you like to change?

Twenty-something years ago, I would have said something about the board of trustees relations. However, throughout the years, through building trust in both directions, I have the best board I can imagine. We are unified in vision and purpose, and they are a great encouragement to me and the staff here as we minister. Much of the board has become such good friends over the years. As we do camp and global missions together, it just gets better.

How has your ministry or your perspective on ministry changed?

I would like to think I have gained some wisdom over the years. I am a constant observer and learner and have experienced a lot of life with my own family and through experiences at camp. I pray I am more understanding and gracious now and always looking for solutions that would honor God.

How do you expect camp ministry to change in the next 10 years?

Government regulations are always challenging. However, so many regulations are implemented for good reasons. We have tried to do our best to keep up and comply.

Also, staying relevant and effective in the culture we live in, and learning how to show God’s grace and mercy to the realities of the current generation.

Name the three most significant challenges and/or influences facing your ministry.

As stated above, our ever-changing culture and staying relevant and effective, as well as, sadly, the decline I see in a lot of churches.

What do you wish more people knew about camp ministry?

The refreshing that comes with getting away from the normal crush of life and spending intentional time seeking God in a place away that is designed to enhance that experience.

About Eric

Who were/are your mentors, and how did/do they influence you?

I think I have learned from those God has placed in my path—both good and bad—to help mold me. The list is long and filled with teachers, coaches, Sunday school teachers, Royal Ambassador leaders, pastors, principals (who I got to know very well in junior high), employers, friends, my wife Karla, my parents and others.

As far as camp ministry, when I was young and naive, Red Colquit took me under his wing and mentored me and encouraged me in ways that helped me be successful and navigate the waters of camp management.

What is the impact of camp ministry on your family?

I have five children and 11 grandchildren, who all love to be together and love family. Obviously, camp ministry has had a great impact on my family. My kids were all exposed to the years of summer staff and learning how to work, watching me struggle through situations and how God came through, and just the exposure to the world out there and the great need that exists for humanity.

What is your favorite Bible verse or passage? Why?

There are too many to narrow it down to a favorite. However, as it relates to camp ministry, Hebrews 12:15, which says: “See to it that no one comes short of the grace of God.”

Who is your favorite Bible character, other than Jesus? Why?

Again, too many. I still lead a boys program in my church—Central Baptist Church in Livingston—and I love to tell the boys stories of the characters found throughout the Bible.

Name something about you that would surprise people who know you.

During our AIM Boys Camp at Pineywoods each summer, you will find me staying in a dorm with the boys and being a camper.

If you could get one “do over” in ministry, what would it be, and why?

Oh my, I really do not like to think of all the “do overs” I wish I could do. I guess what would cover them all would be that I wish I would have always sought God’s direction before so many conversations and actions.