Editorial: Welcome to God’s one big estranged family

My son and I are reading through the Bible together on YouVersion’s Bible app. Beyond reading all the way through the Bible, it’s giving us a way to grow our relationship.

Since we’re still in January, we’re not out of Genesis yet. This means we are reading a lot about families and family feuds, which is interesting to read together as a family.

We have talked about how important families and family histories are to God, important enough to include genealogies and family dirt in the Bible.

There’s Cain and Abel, Noah’s sons, Abraham and Lot, Isaac and Jacob, Jacob and Esau, Jacob and Laban, Joseph and his brothers, among others. In each of these relationships, there is an estrangement. In several, there is a bitter dispute and parting of ways.

I am struck by how, from the start, people who started as one family quickly developed a pattern of estrangement. And these are God’s people. These are the people Christians claim as their ancestors in the faith and look to as models of faith. This is the family we join when we become followers of Christ.

This estranged family is the family we invite others to join by becoming followers of Christ.

Welcome to the family, God’s one big estranged family!

Where estrangement begins

Yes, we have followed well our models in the faith. We have found a multitude of things to disagree over. Some of these disagreements have led us to bitter disputes and even separation.

Granted, some of our disagreements are over significant differences. We don’t see eye-to-eye on sexuality or women leading in the church. Some of these disputes can make it hard to sit down and eat together.

Other disagreements don’t rise above the color of the carpet but are fueling our inability to stomach one another. I’m talking about our political differences. Where Christians once seemed able to discuss their political differences with civility, there is disgust. Just look at social media. Or better yet, don’t. Christians are behaving very badly there.

The disagreement is not the problem, however. The problem is that we allow the disagreement to become the center. Once at the center, disagreement becomes a pattern, a habit. It becomes formative. We become known by what we disagree over, because disagreement shapes our behaviors and our relationships. We are so shaped by disagreement that we are dividers in the world, estrangers.

The problem is not that we disagree. The problem is that we disagree to the point of estrangement. And once we separate, we add insult to injury and revile one another. All the while, the world we want to invite into the family of God is watching. No wonder they’re not interested.

Arguing over the family Bible

Our penchant for disagreeing is played out many places, including in our approach to the Bible. We each insist we understand the Bible correctly. To describe our biblical correctness, we may use terms like “faithful,” “traditional” or “orthodox.”

We each claim to be reading the Bible faithfully or to have a traditional or orthodox understanding of the Bible. This is code for: “We’re right. You’re wrong.”

People shaped by disagreement tend not to be willing to give any ground on their degree of correctness, especially biblical correctness. An unintended consequence is an inability to submit to the Scripture they claim as authoritative because they’re too consumed with being right.

By the way, we’re all either susceptible to or guilty of this—fundamentalists, conservatives, moderates, liberals and progressives alike.

Christians say their mission is the Great Commission: “Go and make disciples of all nations …” (Matthew 28:19-20). The problem for Christians comes at the point of “teaching them to obey everything I have commanded you.”

We don’t agree on the particulars of what exactly is commanded, and we stake out our turf accordingly. Rather than submitting to the Scripture, we set up Scripture as a line between us and we post guards so that “none shall pass.”

The lines of biblical correctness become walls. To leave is to betray. To get in is to defile. Estrangement runs headlong into dysfunction.

Rather than being centered on the Great Commission, Christians seem to spend much more time, energy and resources on arguing over who understands the Bible correctly. The result is split after split, schism after schism.

Catholics and Protestants have done it. Lutherans have done it. Presbyterians have done it. Episcopalians and Anglicans have done it. Methodists are doing it. Baptists, well, we’re experts.

All the while, we claim to be going and making disciples, but those we’re inviting to join the family are shaking their heads. They see us more clearly than we see ourselves.

Unbreaking the circle

I can describe where we are, but I’m also caught up in the estrangement. I’ve also considered my reading of the Bible more correct than others. I’ve also struggled to “hang out” with those unlike me. I’m supposed to move beyond description to prescription here, aren’t I?

Here is where I will change the subject.

Each day in the Bible app includes a Gospel reading. Today, we read Matthew 12:1-21, which concludes with a quote from Isaiah 42:1-4:

“Here is my servant whom I have chosen,
the one I love, in whom I delight;
I will put my Spirit on him,
and he will proclaim justice to the nations.
He will not quarrel or cry out;
no one will hear his voice in the streets.
A bruised reed he will not break,
and a smoldering wick he will not snuff out,
till he has brought justice through to victory.
In his name the nations will put their hope.”

Maybe I didn’t change the subject after all.

Eric Black is the executive director, publisher and editor of the Baptist Standard. He can be reached at eric.black@baptiststandard.com or on Twitter at @EricBlackBSP. The views expressed are those solely of the author.




Voices: Pro-life voting involves more than one issue

I don’t know about you, but I’m tired of hearing people support a political candidate based on one issue—abortion.

I suggest three reasons why it’s a problem to make abortion the one and only campaign issue.

It’s dishonest

People who choose to use the term “pro-life” rather than abortion are not being honest with themselves or anyone else. If a person truly is “pro-life,” then he or she would oppose equally capital punishment, war and indiscriminate gun ownership—all pro-life issues.

I don’t know of anyone in the pro-life movement who believes abortion, capital punishment and war should be eliminated and guns severely restricted. I doubt they really are pro-life.

If a person honestly wants to be pro-life, then continue advocating for eliminating abortion while also standing up against capital punishment, identifying as a conscientious objector and advocating for stricter gun control laws.

To be especially serious about pro-life, a person also should work to eliminate poverty, demand health care for everyone and work to stop climate change.

In fact, to be pro-life, the list is almost endless: drive the speed limit and follow all safety laws, speak out against the tobacco industry, seek ways to help people fight obesity, stop posting hateful messages on social media, demand fair treatment of immigrants and people of all races.

It’s dumb

One-issue political supporters essentially are saying nothing else matters: “Take us to war, eliminate Social Security, be immoral and dishonest, raise taxes and ignore every other problem. I don’t care. As long as you claim to be anti-abortion, you have my vote.”

It sounds ridiculous when put like that, but it’s precisely what has happened. We have countless officeholders with nothing to offer except a claim to be against abortion. We have politicians in place who know they are safe and can do whatever they want because they were elected for one position. They know people will vote for them regardless of anything else they do.

This includes the incumbent President of the United States.

It doesn’t work

Single-issue voting simply doesn’t work. The rationale, proven over and over to be flawed, is that an anti-abortion president will create an anti-abortion Supreme Court supported by an anti-abortion Senate and House and will be able to eliminate abortion. Wouldn’t it be nice if all the right people were in place to test the theory?

From 2001 to 2007, Republicans—the ones who say eliminating abortion is their number one priority—controlled the presidency, House and Senate and had a conservative Supreme Court. During that time, they did not pass legislation to overturn Roe v. Wade. With executive, congressional and judicial sway in 2017 and 2018, again nothing was done to eliminate abortion.

At this point, a single issue—abortion—voter ought to ask, “Why?”

Perhaps it’s time to apply the definition of insanity to this process: “Insanity is doing the same thing over and over and expecting a different result.” It just might be insane to vote for a politician solely because he or she claims to be anti-abortion. In addition to the fact that it’s not going to eliminate abortions, it also means people keep voting for candidates who have nothing else.

After seeing what Republicans have done with their power since 2001, it’s clear they are not going to do anything about abortion. Republicans have found a fluffy toy that distracts voters whenever necessary.

Where I am on the one issue of abortion

In the same way that anti-abortion people chose the term pro-life to identify their position, the other side chose pro-choice because it always is better to be “for” something than to be “against” something. As we already have seen, being pro-life doesn’t necessarily mean a person stands for all things contributing to and strengthening life.

To be labeled pro-choice doesn’t mean a person always supports abortions. Personally, I consider myself anti-abortion and pro-choice. What I mean by that is I would not choose abortion for myself—an easy choice for me, someone who will never get pregnant—but I think others should have the choice for themselves.

In most cases, if a woman came to me for advice for herself, I would strongly encourage her to consider life and make her choice prayerfully.

In extreme circumstances, such as doctors knowing for certain the baby in her womb already is brain dead, I would be OK with abortion. I am not OK with abortion as an option in response to something as simple as forgetting to use contraception.

These are not easy choices, but I do support a woman’s right to be the one to make the choice. Being pro-choice does not mean I’m pro-abortion.

I’ve never met anyone who goes around meeting with pregnant women just to suggest they have an abortion, though there might be a few who do. I’ve never heard a political candidate advocate in favor of abortions, and I never would support one who did.

The only way to eliminate abortions is the same way to eliminate wars, capital punishment, poverty, lack of healthcare, gun violence and other problems. It will only happen when all of us live in harmony and demonstrate love to one another, following Jesus—the One who shows us what it means for God to walk among us.

Terry Austin is a graduate of Wayland Baptist University and Southern Baptist Theological Seminary. He has been a pastor and church consultant and is managing partner of Austin Brothers Publishing. This article is adapted from Austin’s blog. The views expressed are those solely of the author.




Dr. Edward Wagner: From a military career to God’s call

Dr. Edward Wagner has been senior pastor of Cornerstone Baptist Church in Killeen since 1996. From deep in the heart of one Texan, he shares his background and thoughts on church and ministry. To suggest a Baptist General Convention of Texas-affiliated minister to be featured in this column, or to apply to be featured yourself, click here.

Background

Dr. Wagner was pastor of Gospel Congregation at West Point from 1980 to 1982, pastor of Camp Red Cloud Korea from 1986 to 1987, assistant pastor of Providence Missionary Baptist Church from 1990 to 1992 and assistant pastor of Comanche Chapel from 1992 to 1995.

Where did you grow up?

I grew up in Rayville, La.

How did you come to faith in Christ?

I had a Sunday school teacher, Ms. Della Woods, who taught me about Christ and never gave up on me. When I did not go to Sunday school, she would come and find me and bring me to Sunday school.

Every day, I walked by her house on my way from public school. She would call me onto her porch and make me read the Sunday school lesson to her. She lived a Christian life and she modeled Christ in my life. This led me to accept Christ into my life.

Where were you educated, and what degrees did you receive?

• Bachelor of Science in mathematics from Southern University
• Bachelor of Science in civil engineering from Louisiana Tech
• Master of Arts in management from Webster University
• Master of Arts in civil engineering from Louisiana Tech
• Ph.D. in philosophy of religion from Trinity Theological Seminary

About ministry life

Why do you feel called into ministry?

My calling was an experience I shall never forget. I was reading the book of Revelation, and I began to cry as I read about the “End-Times.” The Lord spoke to me clearly and told me he was calling me to the ministry. I was not accepting at first because I had a great military career, and I had planned to spend 40 years in the military. Each assignment after that, the Lord placed people into my life to confirm his calling; so, finally in 1978, I accepted the call.

What is your favorite aspect of ministry? Why?

My favorite aspect of ministry is preparation—when I spend time with the Holy Spirit and he speaks clarity into my spirit—so I can preach with clarity and simplicity.

What one aspect of ministry gives you the greatest joy?

Helping people. It may be helping them understand a Scripture with which they have been struggling, helping them heal a broken marriage, helping them reconcile a broken relationship or helping them just by listening. I get so much joy out of helping people.

What one aspect of ministry would you like to change?

Nothing! There is nothing I would like to change. Sure, I have challenges, but I have learned to accept challenges are just God’s way of growing me and building my character.

How has your ministry or your perspective on ministry changed?

I used to assume every preacher I met was just as loyal and devoted to the call of Christ as I am. I no longer have that assumption, and that has led me to work to get them to that place.

Do you mentor anyone?

Yes, I do. I mentor several young ministers. I have teaching meetings with them twice a month and have breakfast with them once a month.

How do you expect ministry to change in the next 10 to 20 years?

I expect we will have smaller congregations, or at least smaller groups within the church body, because needs are increasing constantly, and the level of biblical knowledge within the general population is decreasing constantly. Therefore, the structure of the church must change in order to meet those needs.

If you could launch any new ministry—individually, through your congregation or through another organization—what would it be? Why?

A health ministry because I find we are not taking health seriously. Young people are spending too much time with video games and social media, and the rest of us are not getting proper exercise and taking care of our health.

Name the three most significant challenges and/or influences facing your ministry.

1. Leadership—getting all of the leaders to embrace servant leadership.
2. Leadership—getting the right people on the bus and in the right seat on the bus.
3. Leadership—functioning without a sense of entitlement, not thinking you are entitled to a level of respect different than that which you give simply because you are the president of the auxiliary.

What do you wish more laypeople knew about ministry or, specifically, your ministry?

I wish they knew the love and passion I have for the people of God, the hours I spend in prayer for them.

About Baptists

What are the key issues facing Baptists—denominationally and/or congregationally?

Change is the greatest issue facing us denominationally. We must not get stuck in a paradigm. We must embrace change and work to have change work for us.

Congregationally, I think the key issue we face is being relevant. The young generation has many questions, and one of their main questions is, “How does this relate to me?” Therefore, we must be focused on application as we preach the word of God.

What would you change about the Baptist denomination—state, nation or local?

I would have the national convention model what Texas Baptist are doing. I sincerely believe we here in Texas have it right. We are a convention that is inclusive and celebrate our diversity.

About Dr. Wagner

Who were/are your mentors, and how did/do they influence you?

Dr. Author S. Kubo was my greatest mentor. He had a great work ethic, he was constantly working to improve himself, and he had great respect for the contributions of others. He influenced me to take an assignment to teach at the military academy at West Point. This assignment prepared me for the ministry because I learned how to teach at West Point.

What did you learn on the job you wish you learned in seminary?

How to use the Logos software.

Not very much. My road to ministry came through the military. I spent almost 22 years as an officer in the military. You learn a lot when leading men and women, and that experience gave me a great education.

What is the impact of ministry on your family?

The impact has been all positive for me. I have a wonderful wife of 49 years who appreciates the fact that I get to come home every day. It was not always the case during those years in the military.

I have three children who know the power of prayer and never hesitate to call dad when they need spiritual counseling. I have six grandchildren who are growing up to know Christ. It cannot get any better.

Other than the Bible, name some of your favorite books or authors, and explain why.

• Good to Great by Jim Collins
The 15 Invaluable Laws of Growth by John Maxwell
The Audacity of Hope by Barack Obama
Soar With Your Strengths by Donald O. Clifton
A God-Centered Church by Henry Blackaby
The Culture Code by Daniel Coyle

I am an avid reader. Reading is my greatest pastime. I mostly read books about leadership, because I believe this is what the church needs most. My second reading interest is books that inspire, encourage and compel people to action.

What is your favorite Bible verse or passage? Why?

Galatians 2:20. It keeps me humble knowing who I belong to and the price he paid for me.

Who is your favorite Bible character, other than Jesus? Why?

Jeremiah the prophet. His life was a “pedagogy in biography.” It took great discipline to do the things God told him to do; yet, he faithfully did those things.

Name something about you that would surprise people who know you.

I was a high school quarterback.

If you could get one “do over” in ministry, what would it be, and why?

I would have accepted my calling much sooner than I did.




New York City: At the name of Jesus

“Language is love.”

My student from Nepal spoke the words with a wide grin before our English-as-a-Second Language Class. It was below freezing outside our cluttered and crowded makeshift English classroom. We were located on the third floor of the English Language Institute in New York City. Our lesson centered on the story of the three wise men, a story I was familiar with from years of Sunday school and Wednesday night Bible studies, but my Nepali and Bangladeshi students experienced it for their first time in English.

“Mr. Mohammed, can you read the title for me?” I asked. He smiled and nodded his head up and down quickly.

Mr. Mohammed needed the most help pronouncing words. I typically would read a sentence him and have him repeat it back to me. He was eager to say anything in English, even if he wasn’t saying it right and was thankful for my help with words he did not know. At one point, I was having difficulties explaining the story of the three wise men to him. Each time I moved on to a new sentence, Mr. Mohammed needed help understanding how that new sentence connected to the one before it. He could understand fragments of the story, but he could not put the story together. However, I noticed he was quick to pick up names. One name always made him smile and look up at me. That name was Jesus. Whenever I said a sentence with the name Jesus as the subject, he perked up and repeated “Jesus” back to me.

“Ohhh, Jesus!” Mr. Mohammed said, as his eyes brightened.

Looking back on that day, I doubt that he understood most of the story of the three wise men—maybe less than half. Furthermore, I never got to articulate the gospel with him. He did not understand my English very well, and I was unable to spend time outside of class with him. But I know this for sure; Mr. Mohammed took away a great impression of the name of Jesus. Whenever he heard that name, his face changed. That name was all he needed to hear. It reminded me of what God commanded us to do in 2 Corinthians 4:5: “For what we preach is not ourselves, but Jesus Christ as Lord, and ourselves as your servants for Jesus’ sake.”

I was reminded that the gospel didn’t depend on my eloquent speech. It didn’t depend on my speech, period. Being an English major, I had hopes of explaining the good news of Jesus as precisely as I could to Mr. Mohammed, but none of that worked. God had unequipped me physically, dis-enabling me to express myself. Yet, through this physical unequipping, this language barrier, God reminded me I was equipped spiritually. I had to depend solely on God to explain who Jesus is, since my words would never be enough. I had to depend solely on the name of Jesus, and his name was more than enough. One word from God spoke to Mohammed more than all my words ever could. This is because the language of Jesus is the language of love. Through the Holy Spirit, all can interpret its meaning.

Chris Williams, a student at the University of Texas at Tyler, served in New York City with Go Now Missions during Christmas break.  




Editorial: The truth, the whole truth and nothing but the truth

We are asked to believe a lot of things, but how do we know what’s true?

Last week, I asked a young man, “How do you know what’s true?”

“Uh, I just know,” he said.

I realized he needed some context. With rumors of Jason Garrett being let go as head coach of the Dallas Cowboys, I asked, “If you hear something about the Dallas Cowboys, how do you know it’s true?”

“Well, if it’s someone who loves the Cowboys, I wouldn’t ask them, and if it’s someone who hates the Cowboys, I wouldn’t ask them,” he said. The one who loves the Cowboys would “candy coat” things, while the other would trash the Cowboys organization, he said.

He understood both people would be biased to the point of unreliability. He said to get at the truth, he would have to do some research.

I asked him how he knew to do that, to discern bias and do research. He said he just knew.

Trying to find the truth

We’ve endured many months of truth claims advanced by opposing sides. We’ve been assured each side was telling the truth. None of us have been in a place to know with absolute certainty if either side was telling the truth. Even so, we’ve most likely made up our minds about what is true and what is not.

I’m referring to the ongoing impeachment process. This process is much more important than who will be the head coach of the Dallas Cowboys, which now has been decided. The rumors about Jason Garrett were true.

If a young man—a teenager—has the wherewithal to know he can’t fully trust someone who loves the Cowboys or someone who hates the Cowboys to tell him the unvarnished truth, surely adults weighing matters of national and international consequence know they need to do some research to get at the unadulterated truth.

But when it comes to truth, there are the facts, there are the interpretations of the facts, and there’s the truth about us. Facts are hard to dispute. Interpretations of facts are debatable. What is true about us, well, that’s the whole truth we’d just as soon avoid. That’s the truth we don’t need research to know because we’ve been running from it since Adam and Eve.

Truth is more than skin-deep

Here’s an example of a truth about us.

I recently learned about a thing called “sober curious.” The report was on Dry January, a month of detox after the holidays.

I wasn’t incredulous when I heard about it because I was listening to a credible source of information at the time. I wasn’t sure, however, if sober curious is as big a deal as the reporter was making it out to be. So, I looked it up.

As it turns out, I’m late to the party. Sober curious has been a thing for a while. There are books, t-shirts, sober curious parties and bars, sober curious breweries and distilleries and more. It’s not just a thing. It’s been called a movement, a lifestyle being embraced by Millenials.

How much alcohol Americans consume is a fact we can determine with reasonable certainty. Why they consume it is an interpretation of the facts relying on self-reports and inferences (an important word from the impeachment proceedings).

But the fact that something like “sober curious” exists and that it’s trending reveals sad truths about us.

So many Americans drink so much so often that they have little to no experience with sobriety. How in the world have we become so used to drinking that we are curious about sobriety?

A reason people drink is to de-stress or escape. We are a nation of people who run from the truth about ourselves.

I don’t have the luxury of being curious about sobriety. For me, sobriety is not a curiosity but a necessity.

The fact is I don’t drink alcohol. The reason I don’t drink alcohol is because if I do, everyone around me will hurt. The whole truth is I don’t drink alcohol because I’m an alcoholic. I learned that about myself years ago.

There is the truth contained in facts and the interpretations of the facts, and then there’s the whole truth.

Just as I had to get past the facts and reasons for my relationship to alcohol, all of us need to go beyond the surface truth contained in facts and interpretations to the deeper and whole truth about ourselves.

Facing the truth about ourselves

It’s important that we get at the unvarnished, unadulterated facts about consequential things. It matters that we arrive at reasonable interpretations of those facts, which requires honest research.

And honest research requires us to be aware of our biases—helpful shorthands that have morphed into self-important preconceptions—and to be willing to look outside their protective shell.

Arriving at bare facts and determining reasonable explanations are in service of what is more important, facing the truth about ourselves.

Current events are full of distractions from the work of dealing with the truth about ourselves. We can get so lost in the facts of these events and their interpretations that we forfeit our souls.

To get at the whole truth, we may need to do a little research on ourselves. We may need to answer uncomfortable questions like:

• Why aren’t some Christians more vocal about the bad behavior of those on their side?
• Why are some Christians so willing to share biased information, spreading it like a flu-laden sneeze all over social media?

As for the truth about the world around us, we don’t have the time, the experience or the responsibility to research everything. We have to trust others to do some of that for us.

There’s a truth about ourselves in that statement that points to an even deeper truth: We are limited, finite. We are not God; therefore, we ought to live in humility toward the truth.

Eric Black is the executive director, publisher and editor of the Baptist Standard. He can be reached at eric.black@baptiststandard.com or on Twitter at @EricBlackBSP. The views expressed are those solely of the author.




Voices: What’s the best understanding of hell?

The doctrine of hell recently has become a hot topic within evangelicalism. The publication of Rob Bell’s book Love Wins in 2011 ignited a storm of controversy and served as a sort of watershed moment for debates occurring over the past few decades.

Although “universalism” has been the primary focus of debate in recent years, another non-traditional view of hell also has enjoyed increasing popularity: annihilationism.

What is annihilationism? Why has it suddenly become relatively popular, even within evangelicalism? Is it correct, mistaken or heretical? And why does it matter?

Defining annihilationism

The traditional doctrine of hell held by most Christians throughout the ages claims all who reject Christ ultimately will suffer eternal conscious torment. That is, people in hell continue to exist for all eternity, they continue to be conscious for all eternity, and during this time, they suffer horrific pain as punishment for their sins.

Annihilationism, by contrast, claims the wicked who reject Christ ultimately are destroyed, ceasing to exist. While there is a time of conscious torment in hell, perhaps a very long time, the eventual result of this torment is complete destruction.

In this way, annihilationism is more like the traditional doctrine of hell than it is like any form of universalism. Those who reject Christ in this life will suffer God’s punishment in hell and forever will be separated from him with no chance of entering eternal life.

Why believe annihilationism?

There are many reasons some embrace this doctrine of hell instead of more traditional views. One obvious appeal of annihilationism is it simply is less horrifying than the traditional perspective. Annihilationism removes what many find to be the most gruesome and extreme aspect of the traditional view: eternal conscious torment.

However, it would be a serious mistake to assume annihilationists only embrace their view of hell for emotional reasons. There are three primary biblical arguments annihilationists marshal in favor of their view.

First, much of the New Testament language about the final judgment of the wicked centers on destruction (Matthew 7:13; Romans 9:22; etc.). Frequently, when the New Testament talks about the fate of unbelievers, the text says they will be destroyed or uses imagery that suggests destruction, not perpetual conscious pain (e.g., Matthew 3:12).

Second, the Bible teaches that humans are not inherently immortal. We do not automatically live forever. Many Christians have believed in an “immortal soul” that lives forever in heaven or hell, but the idea of an intrinsically immortal soul is hard to sustain from Scripture. God certainly would be capable of killing or destroying such souls, regardless.

Third, the Greek word for “eternal” (aionios) doesn’t necessarily mean “perpetual duration.” It also can mean something more like “permanent” or “of the age to come.” So, even when the Bible says the phrase “eternal punishment,” it could mean simply punishment that is permanent or punishment characteristic of the age to come.

Challenges to annihilationism

We’ve seen annihilationism cannot be dismissed simply as wishful thinking prompted by sentimentality or a weak stomach. There are cogent biblical arguments in its favor, but these arguments are not airtight.

First, the language of destruction, including how it often is used in the Bible, doesn’t necessarily require non-existence. It sometimes means something more like “ruin” or “irreparably damaged and non-functional” (Matthew 9:17). So, we could speak of those suffering eternally in hell as being “destroyed” while still technically existing.

Second, even if there is no such thing as an “immortal soul,” this does not render the traditional doctrine of hell impossible. There are biblical references to the “resurrection of judgment” (John 5:28-29), which could mean God grants a form of “immortality” to those suffering eternally in hell.

Third, there are cases where aionios does, in fact, mean something like perpetual duration. For example, Matthew 25:46 uses this word to establish an important parallel: “These will go away into eternal (aionios) punishment, but the righteous into eternal (aionios) life.” This parallel would suggest the punishment is “everlasting” in the same way the life is.

Fourth, there are some biblical references to the fate of unbelievers being eternal conscious torment (Revelation 14:9-11, for example). Much of New Testament language may be “destruction,” but the language of eternal conscious torment is there, too.

Why does it matter?

I am persuaded the traditional view of hell is the best reading of Scripture. I think the fact “destruction” doesn’t have to mean “complete non-existence” undermines annihilationism’s strongest biblical argument and helps us harmonize the New Testament’s language of both destruction and eternal conscious torment.

I would say annihilationism is an error and would stop short of calling it an outright heresy. The Bible never presents this precise issue as an essential part of the gospel, and embracing annihilationism is very different than denying final judgment or hell altogether.

That being said, this still is an extremely important issue. I can think of few doctrinal questions more serious and somber than the fate of those who reject Christ. The doctrine of hell also is tied deeply into the doctrine of God’s justice and righteousness. We should never discuss hell lightly, nor should we act as though disagreement on the subject is insignificant.

I have no doubt that evangelical annihilationists genuinely are trying to be faithful to Scripture, and I commend that. But I believe that faithfulness is expressed best through adherence to the traditional view of hell, not alternative perspectives.

Joshua Sharp is a Master of Divinity student and graduate assistant in the Office of Ministry Connections at Truett Seminary in Waco, Texas. The views expressed are those solely of the author.




South Texas: Broken heart and border blessings

I have a broken heart. One of the things my student missions team did while on the field in South Texas was partner with Angel Tree, a ministry that allows inmates in prison to write a message to their children from prison. Through donations, Angel Tree sends each child a Christmas present. Our task was to wrap the presents, put the message from the incarcerated mother or father on it, and hand-deliver the present to the home of the children.

Student missionaries wrap Angel Tree gifts. (Photo courtesy of Halle Smith)

Recently, my family experienced something similar. About six months ago my brother-in-law was convicted of a crime and initially received a 10-year sentence, plus an additional 10 years of probation after that. My sister would have been responsible for taking care of their three kids—ages 3 months, 18 months and 3 years—with no job. God was gracious to our family, and he wasn’t sent to jail. However, he had to go two months without being able to see his children, and that alone wrecked all of us.

I came down here to the Texas/Mexico border thinking I wouldn’t be able to relate in any way to the people. I am not Hispanic, and I have never had to experience part of my family being stuck on the other side of the border.

Student missionaries deliver Angel Tree gifts. (Photo courtesy of Halle Smith)

But God knew why I was placed here. I was able to hand-deliver presents to children, knowing something about the pain of the mother—or father—and of the children receiving the gift. It’s not something I can put into words. The pain of not having your parent. The pain of not getting the see your child or children. God used me—used my team—to bridge that gap between parent and child this week. And it gave me such a clear and beautiful image of how Jesus bridged the gap between us and our Father.

God was very gracious in what he did in my heart and in what he did for the families we were able to serve. It was nothing we did. God just used our hands to spread his hope and love to those who needed it this Christmas. We serve a wonderful God.

Halle Smith, a student at the University of Texas at Tyler, served with Go Now Missions in Mission, Texas, during Christmas break. 




Voices: The importance of finding truth among competing claims

Sen. Patrick Moynihan famously said, “Everyone is entitled to his own opinion, but not his own facts.”

Our society today increasingly challenges that assertion with the rise of “fake news,” “clickbait” and “alternative facts.”

As a free society with democratic responsibilities, how do we navigate a highly partisan system, which includes an upcoming election, when “truth” seems to be in the eye of the beholder?

Rejecting absolutes and ascending tribalism

From the effects of postmodernism, society-at-large rejects notions of absolute truth, embracing instead the idea that truth is relative and based upon standards and understandings of individual communities. Couple this with the increased tribalism found in American politics, and we quickly discover an “ends-justify-the-means” approach to politics, which diminishes any value placed on discerning actual facts or truth in a given situation.

In The Soul of America, Jon Meacham writes: “There is such a thing as discernable truth. Facts, as John Adams once said, are stubborn things, and yet too many Americans are locked into their particular vision of the world, choosing this view or that perspective based not on its grounding in fact but on whether it’s a view or a perspective endorsed by the leaders one follows.”

With the upcoming 2020 U.S. election and with various outlets of information bombarding voters every moment, how do we maintain objectivity and discern truth in the onslaught of misinformation readily shared via social media, television and print flyers?

While our society is familiar with more traditional venues of advertising, such as print and television, the ability to share online advertising and information quickly without testing the truth of the asserted claims has raised concerns for how to guard against false information that heavily influences our political processes.

Effects of tribalism on truth

Some social media platforms, such as Twitter, have banned political advertising on their sites due to lack of controls for policing what is true or false. Facebook, however, continues to accept political advertising.

Mark Zuckerberg defended his company’s decision, saying: “What I believe is that in a democracy, it’s really important that people can see for themselves what politicians are saying. … I don’t think that a private company should be censoring politicians or news.”

However, Facebook users struggle with determining fiction from reality, as reported in a FOXBusiness story last November: “Participants in a recent study only correctly assessed whether headlines on social media were true or false 44 percent of the time. People were also more likely to believe headlines that aligned with their political beliefs.”

Tribalism plays a large role in muddying the waters of truth. In the book, Coddling the American Mind, Greg Lukianoff and Jonathan Haidt assert, “In tribal mode, we seem to go blind to arguments and information that challenge our team’s narrative.”

Tribalism’s looseness with the truth makes civil discourse almost impossible.

Discerning truth among so many claims

How do we protect, or perhaps rescue, the Christian witness from becoming just another casualty in America’s political culture war? How do we, as salt and light, discern truth in resistance to our tribalistic tendencies?

Practically speaking, we can enact numerous safeguards to protect against ingesting or sharing false information.

For starters, we must read more than just the headline.

Additionally, we should be aware of the bias of the organization publishing the story. Ad Fontes Media produces a helpful chart on media bias.

Most importantly, we should think through the “facts” presented before we share. Are other news outlets reporting this information, or are we quickly passing along an inaccurate story that confirms our bias?

We need to value truth over propaganda, which seems simple to say but is proving hard to do with social media links easy to share.

Jesus and Pilate on truth

While pondering the concept of truth, consider the exchange between Pontius Pilate and Jesus in the Gospel of John.

On the night of his betrayal, Jesus replies to Pilate’s questioning saying: “You say that I am a king. In fact, the reason I was born and came into the world is to testify to the truth. Everyone on the side of truth listens to me.”

John records Pilate’s response, “What is truth?”

What was the tone of this question? Was it sincere or mocking? Whatever his intent, Pilate did not wait for an answer and missed an opportunity to hear from Jesus. Perhaps he refused to wait for an answer because he realized the truth would only complicate the political decision he must make.

How do we relate to truth?

Do we relate to Pilate? Are we often approaching our political engagements with tribalism that either distorts or rebuffs truth from entering into our decision-making processes? Is it easier to make a decision based on whether there is a D or an R next to a candidate’s name rather than to consider objectively the facts presented? Are we tempted to consume and to share information, whether credible or not, that will reinforce our tribalistic views?

For the sake of our society and Christian witness, we must break free from the temptations of tribalism that lead to distortion and misinformation. In its place, we must seek truth, regardless of how it challenges our current political leanings.

As Dietrich Bonhoeffer wrote in The Cost of Discipleship: “There is no truth towards Jesus without truth towards man. Untruthfulness destroys fellowship, but truth cuts false fellowship to pieces and establishes genuine brotherhood. We cannot follow Christ unless we live in revealed truth before God and man.”

Jack Goodyear is dean of the Cook School of Leadership and professor of political science at Dallas Baptist University. The views expressed are those solely of the author.




East Asia: Sharing the gospel, encouraging believers

A Go Now Mission team served in East Asia over Christmas break, working in a city where more than 1 million college students live and study. So, their task was to meet college students, help lead English classes and attend Christmas parties, looking for opportunities to share the gospel.

One of the team members shared a conversation she had with a new friend:

(Courtesy of Go Now Missions)

“It was lunch time when we shared the gospel with two students. One of them turned to me and asked if I believe all this. I said yes! The student asked, ‘How can I believe this if my environment never taught me about it, not even my family?’ I explained to the student that there was a time in my life when someone spoke to me about the gospel, just like we did to them. But I was never taught about it at home, so I had to choose. I explained many more things and answered more questions. At the end the student really amazed said, ‘After you explain this to me, I think I can believe more about God.’”

Another student on the team told about an opportunity they had to study the Bible with a believer and some of her friends. “We sat in a circle and sang worship songs. After that, we talked about what the songs meant and why we sang them. We read Scripture and talked about who God is. The students were engaged and asked questions, and we were able to share our testimonies with them. Both the students agreed to continue meeting with our friends to read the Bible together.”

Pray for these new friends as they continue studying Scripture. Pray for the other many college students in this city who do not know God personally, that those who are believers would be bold in sharing the gospel with those who have never heard. And pray for the Go Now students, that as they return to their own campus for the spring semester they would continue to share the gospel with students who have not heard.

Compiled by Erica Harnisch with Texas Baptists’ Collegiate Ministries, from reports submitted by students who served with Go Now Missions. 




Jeremy Edmiston: Building relationships the old-fashioned way

Jeremy Edmiston, member of First Baptist Church in Grand Prairie, Texas, has been in the multifamily real estate investment and management business for 20 years and is vice president of Pinnacle Property Management Services. From deep in the heart of one Texan, Edmiston shares his background and thoughts on being a follower of Christ in the marketplace. To suggest a Texas Baptist leader in the marketplace to be featured in this column, or to apply to be featured yourself, click here.

Background

What other businesses have you been in, and what were your positions there?

I have been a racquetball pro, was an intern in the activities ministry at Park Cities Baptist Church in Dallas and was a chaplain for the University Park Police Department.

Where did you grow up?

Grand Prairie, Texas

How did you come to faith in Christ?

I gave my life to Jesus in June 1982 at age 8. I remember it clearly, vacation Bible school at Fairview Baptist Church in Grand Prairie.

Where were you educated, and what degrees did you receive?

I studied theology and ministry at Hardin-Simmons University.

About life in the marketplace

Why do you feel called into the marketplace?

I feel called to the marketplace because the Lord has given me the gift of networking as well as being a connector. He gave me an eidetic memory, meaning I remember people, their stories and needs in great detail. Through this calling, he has put me in position not only to provide investment advisory, but also present the gospel with people of all faith backgrounds in situations outside of traditional or vocational ministry.

How does being a Christian influence your decisions in the marketplace?

Being a Christian has an impact on every business decision, opportunity pursuit and business relationship I have. The Lord seems to always refocus my efforts on the relationships ahead of the business. He constantly leads me to pay very close attention to everyone’s personalities and the little indicators that get revealed in conversations.

The verses that come to mind every day are Philippians1:27, “Whatever happens, conduct yourselves in a manner worthy of the gospel of Christ,” and Philippians 2:4, “Each of you should look not only to your own interests, but also to the needs of others.”

What is your favorite aspect of the marketplace? Why?

Hands down, my favorite thing about the marketplace is interacting with people from Main Street to Wall Street. My role is to grow quality business relationships for the long haul.

I also enjoy the people I know and the anticipation of developing new relationships and connecting with people in my business travels, as well as living in the moment and having the opportunity to represent Jesus.

What one aspect of the marketplace gives you the greatest joy?

Within our apartment portfolio, we touch about 600,000 people each day. It brings me joy that we are engaged in one of the most critical parts of life, a roof over people’s heads. It’s a sacred calling as people, every day, are starting their families in our apartment homes, and we get to be a part of it.

It also brings me joy to serve our clients and to help them be in position to make great investments.

What one aspect of the marketplace would you like to change?

This won’t be shocking to those who know me, but I’m what you might call old school. Technology and automation is really cool, and the Lord has definitely had his hand on it, especially the spreading of the gospel through digital mediums, as well as the velocity with which we can send rescue to people across the globe.

However, I feel we are losing fireside chats, if you will. We’re constantly texting and emailing and perhaps losing relational skills. It’s an art form, for sure. I’d much rather talk on the phone or meet in person to forge partnerships. I would like the younger generations to grab hold of this. I think they will be surprised at how effective it is in all aspects of life.

How has your place in the market or your perspective on the marketplace changed?

It’s quite extraordinary becoming an elder statesman these days. I often look around board rooms I’m in across the United States, and I’m often the old guy in the room. Not that I’m anything, but it does impress upon me to seize the opportunity to roll out biblical wisdom when I have a captive audience as a leader.

Over more than 20 years, I certainly have seen a great deal, from penthouse economies to outhouse economies. If anything, I’ve learned it’s not often about the specific business opportunity, but clearly about participating in the Lord’s work in the midst of a business opportunity.

When I was younger, it was about trying to close the big deal. Today, it’s about being relentless and obedient to what he’s called me to do, one day at a time.

If you could launch any new venture, what would it be? Why?

I would like to gather a large group of Christian CEOs from all lines of business and change the trajectory for at-risk kids. I’m convinced there is a huge number of potential leaders who are one relationship, one mentor away from greatness.

What do you wish more people knew about the marketplace?

It’s the largest mission field.

About Baptists

What would you change about the Baptist denomination—state, nation or local?

Above all, we need to keep our focus on the Great Commission. We have a favorable history in the United States and abroad, and much should be expected considering all of the resources we are the stewards of. However, we need to be careful in our presentation, given the number of people coming to our churches having never experienced church culture. The mission is to participate in the Lord’s work so lives can be changed. This must be paramount.

About Jeremy

What is your favorite Bible verse or passage? Why?

Philippians 3:13. I really like the “forgetting what is behind” directive and always to be looking ahead at what the Lord has prepared for us.

Who is your favorite Bible character, other than Jesus? Why?

Paul, for sure. He was a Renaissance man with an amazing way of relating to people. He lived in the moment and kept his focus on the mission at hand at all cost.

Name something about you that would surprise people who know you.

All of my life, I’ve struggled with learning disabilities. I’m a slow reader and often skip sentences. It’s a constant battle to get through things. However, I consider it a gift and a condition the Lord intentionally has allowed to be present to show his grace.




Editorial: We need to be clear-eyed about good will to all in 2020

Have you heard something so obvious you wondered why the person said it? And then the import of the words caught up with you. And then you couldn’t get the words out of your head.

That happened to me at church on Sunday.

One of the ministers shared a Charles Spurgeon quote that reads: “And when the Lord Jesus has become your peace, remember, there is another thing: good will towards men. Do not try to keep Christmas without good will towards men.”

There are a couple of obvious things here. Right away, I’m thinking, “Charles Spurgeon again.” Not because my church quotes him all the time. We don’t. But because Charles Spurgeon is quoted as often in evangelical circles as C.S. Lewis or Oswald Chambers.

I bet I don’t have to tell you the other obvious thing, but I will anyway.

We just finished Christmas and singing “peace on earth, good will to men” in more than one song. Peace and good will grace many of the Christmas cards we received and still are receiving. What can I possibly hear about peace and good will that I haven’t already heard a hundred times just this year?

Well, there’s that Spurgeon quote, for one.

Seeing what peace has to do with good will

As I think back on my editorials during 2019, I remember trying to encourage peace. My last editorial of the year addressed peace directly.

Sure, not all of my editorials were peacemaking, as evidenced by the comments on Facebook. Nonetheless, there is a theme: How can we be people whose lives demonstrate Christ’s peace reigning in us?

Spurgeon’s quote helps me answer that question.

Peace is both a descriptor and a thing proved through good will toward others. Peace is easy to talk about, think about and want. Good will—to the extent sung by the angels—is difficult.

People will not see Christ’s peace reigning in us if we do not exhibit good will to all people.

This is the point of division. Good will? What is good will? All people? Neighbor? Who is my neighbor?

Christ’s peace looks like this: Jesus sitting down to eat a meal with person after person who was highly critical of him, person after person who was hostile to him, person after person involved in sin. Jesus hurled no personal attacks at his hosts. And not because he was a good guest.

Christ’s peace looks like this: Jesus talking to a woman … alone; Jesus touching and being touched by people deemed “unclean;” Jesus being known as a glutton, a drunkard, a friend of sinners, all while seeming to be unconcerned about his reputation. And not because he didn’t care.

Christ’s peace looks like this: Jesus facing death with words like these: “Not my will but yours be done,” “Father, forgive them, for they know not what they do,” “It is finished.” And not because he was weak.

These are just a few examples of Christ’s peace lived out in good will to all people. In none of them do we read Jesus calculating what constitutes good will or an acceptable recipient.

Seeing our way to good will in the days ahead

Tension in our country—not to mention the rest of the world—has been mounting the last few years. Violence has not abated. School and church shootings have continued. Racial tension is rising. Political divides are growing. Rhetoric is downright vicious and coarsening.

Again, I point you to Facebook comments. “Out of the overflow of the heart, the mouth speaks,” the Prince of Peace said. If you want to know what is in our hearts, whether peace or tension, read a handful of social media comments.

The tension in our country seemed to come to a head at the end of 2019. All indications are the tension in our society will not magically disappear in 2020. So, what to do with “peace on earth, good will to men?”

Are these just words, or do they mean something? Are they so obvious we can tune them out as though they really mean nothing, or will these words stick and not let us go?

When we tell people we are Christians, do we mean we are “peace on earth and good will to all” kind of people, or do we mean something else?

A tension in Christ’s peace

In response to talk about Christ’s peace, I have heard: “Jesus said he didn’t come to bring peace but a sword. He said he came to divide people, even families.”

The problem with people citing these words from Luke 12 in response to talk about Christ’s peace is the seeming justification of not living at peace with others. It’s as if to say, “Political rivalries, racial tensions, belittling and dehumanizing rhetoric, violence, all these things are OK because Jesus said it would be that way.”

I don’t intend this as a straw man argument. I have seen these conversations play out this way and carry these kinds of connotations.

Yes, Jesus said he came to divide, even families. No, I don’t believe Jesus meant to justify our being dividers.

Jesus also said: “Peace I leave with you; my peace I give you. I do not give to you as the world gives. Do not let your hearts be troubled and do not be afraid” (John 14:27).

Though Jesus was speaking to his followers to comfort them as he faced arrest and crucifixion, his words also speak to us today.

Troubled and fearful hearts tend to hurt others, to lash out, to withdraw, to divide. None of these things represent Christ but instead represent sin reigning in us. Jesus instructed his followers not to be troubled and afraid. To face such trouble and fear, Jesus left us his peace—his steadfastness, calmness and confidence derived from the eternal God living in a temporary situation.

Putting the parts together

We shouldn’t forget that peace and good will are only part of the angels’ song. The song begins, “Glory to God in the highest.”

Peace and good will come second to God’s glory and point us to it. The song announcing Jesus’ birth tells us he came to bring glory to God by doing God’s will—from which we get “good will.” Jesus could enter our trouble because his peace is rooted in the very being of God.

Spurgeon is quoted often for a reason. He was a supremely gifted thinker and communicator. Communicators like him put the parts together for us in captivating ways. Spurgeon calls us to remember we cannot take Christ’s peace without also extending good will to others.

If last year was any indication, 2020 will test our resolve even further. Will we see any clearer our need to be people of Christ’s peace and good will, remembering it cost him his life?

We can live in peace and extend good will to all because our troubles are temporary and our God is eternal.

Eric Black is the executive director, publisher and editor of the Baptist Standard. He can be reached at eric.black@baptiststandard.com or on Twitter at @EricBlackBSP. The views expressed are those solely of the author.




Dan Turner: The love of seeing people’s lives changed by Christ

Dan Turner has been a music and worship consultant for Texas Baptists since 2013 and is director of First Singers Choir at First Baptist Church in Amarillo, Texas. From deep in the heart of one Texan, he shares his background and thoughts on music, church and ministry. To suggest a Baptist General Convention of Texas-affiliated minister to be featured in this column, or to apply to be featured yourself, click here.

Background

Where else have you served in ministry, and what were your positions there?

• Arnett Benson Baptist in Lubbock as minister of music and youth, 1966 to 1969
• First Baptist Church in Shamrock as minister of music and youth, summer of 1969
• First Baptist Church in Saginaw as minister of music and youth, 1969 to 1974
• First Baptist Church in Dumas as minister of music, 1974 to 2000
• West Texas Music Specialist for Baptist General Convention of Texas, 2000 to 2009
• First Baptist Church in Canyon as associate pastor of worship, 2009 to 2013
• Five music ministry interims while working for Texas Baptists

Where did you grow up?

Pampa, Texas

How did you come to faith in Christ?

I accepted Christ as my Savior in a joint Sunday school revival service in First Baptist Church in Pampa. I was a part of the “Million More in 54” emphasis.

I was the last boy in my Sunday school class to be saved, and my teacher and all the other boys really were putting pressure on me. I wanted this to be my decision; so, every time someone said, “I’ll go down the aisle with you,” that put a stop to any decision for that day.

On this particular Sunday, I knew this was the day, and I was going down to receive Christ before anyone could get to me. On the first note of the invitation, I ran down the aisle. I still can’t adequately describe the wonder of that day.

Where were you educated, and what degrees did you receive?

• Texas Tech University, Bachelor of Arts degree
• Southwestern Baptist Theological Seminary, Master of Religious Education and Church Music degrees

About ministry life

Why do you feel called into ministry?

I was a history major and planned on being a college history professor. I was on schedule to be a graduate assistant at Texas Tech. However, I also served as minister of music and youth at Arnett Benson Baptist Church during my years at Tech and loved it.

After much prayer and meditation, I finally came to a genuine sense of peace when I decided to go to the seminary. I have never regretted that decision.

What is your favorite aspect of ministry? Why?

That is a really hard question for me to answer as I so love working with choirs of all ages and leading in worship. However, I would say that seeing peoples’ lives changed by Christ and watching and helping them grow in Christ would be my favorite.

How has your ministry or your perspective on ministry changed?

The biggest change was moving from the music ministry in the local church to concentrating on helping and serving as a resource to ministers of music. Of course, the process of planning and leading in worship has changed tremendously over the years, too.

How do you expect ministry to change in the next 10 to 20 years?

In worship, I expect to see more people actually on the platform in leading worship. I also sense a renewal of choirs is coming in many of our churches in the days ahead.

If you could launch any new ministry—individually, through your congregation or through another organization—what would it be? Why?

I would say the starting of new churches in developing areas of my city. Many large new developments have no Baptist churches in them.

Name the three most significant challenges and/or influences facing your ministry.

• We rapidly are running out of trained music ministers or worship pastors.
• The same is true of keyboard players. Not enough students are taking piano.
• How to face the social pressures of the world we now live in is also a challenge.

What do you wish more laypeople knew about ministry or, specifically, your ministry?

The tremendous time it takes to develop and maintain a full music ministry for every age group.

About Baptists

We often all are lumped mistakenly into one circle of beliefs and practices. Nothing could be farther from the truth.

What are the key issues facing Baptists—denominationally and/or congregationally?

Once again, how to deal with social changes in our society today.

What would you change about the Baptist denomination—state, nation or local?

As a denomination, I wish we would concentrate on what unites us rather than what divides us.

About Dan

Who were/are your mentors, and how did/do they influence you?

Hugh Sanders, my high school choir director. It really is because of him that I am in music ministry. He opened a marvelous world of music to me and encouraged me so much through the years.

Joe Whitten, my music minister while growing up in First Baptist Church in Pampa. I emulated him in so many ways.

Ed Rogers, long time pastor at First Baptist Church in Dumas. I served with him for 22 years, and he was incredible to work with. I learned so much from him in all aspects of my ministry. In fact, I have striven to be as much like him as possible. He truly shaped my life and ministry.

What did you learn on the job you wish you learned in seminary?

How to deal effectively with all kinds of people.

What is the impact of ministry on your family?

I value so much the impact of the church on my family. For my wife, it gave her a place and a way to serve God also. For my children, the church was a place where they were loved, nurtured and educated. They never resented the church or my ministry. They and their families all are faithful church members today.

Other than the Bible, name some of your favorite books or authors, and explain why.

Some of my favorite history writers: Stephen Ambrose, S.C. Gwynne, Hampton Sides, Doris Kerns Goodwin and Ron Chernow.

My favorite American novelist is John Steinbeck.

What is your favorite Bible verse or passage? Why?

“I can do all things through Christ who strengthens me” (Philippians 4:13). I have clung to this verse through thick and thin throughout my ministry.

Another life-inspiring verse that always gives me assurance when I am down is Isaiah 40:31: “But they that wait upon the Lord shall renew their strength; they will mount up with wings as eagles. They shall run and not be weary; and they shall walk and not faint.”

Who is your favorite Bible character, other than Jesus? Why?

Peter, not always perfect, but he believed in grace and is a wonderful example of faith and service.

Name something about you that would surprise people who know you.

I do competitive Walleye Team Tournament fishing with my brother as my partner, and we have qualified to fish in seven National Walleye Tournaments.

I was a competitive runner for many years until I wore out my knees.

I led the Baptist Men from Dumas on 15 mission trips into villages in Mexico across from Big Bend National Park. There, we would build churches and provide medical help to the villagers.

My wife, daughter, son-in-law and I got to spend 20 minutes in the Oval Office with President George W. Bush as my daughter was leaving the White House to pursue another job. It was late in the president’s term, and he gave us a lot of time as he was missing Texas and Texans. During that time, I got to discuss hymns with the president.

If you could get one “do over” in ministry, what would it be, and why?

Not to be so hesitant to step out in faith.