Posted: 10/17/04
Texas Baptist Forum
Convention overhaul
I am so excited about the reorganization of the Baptist General Convention of Texas.
I commend and affirm the leadership and bold visionary efforts of our officers, Administrative Committee and executive director! They realize that if we as Texas Baptists want to impact our world for Christ, changes must be made now.
The Executive Board's approval of the mission, vision, values and priority statements is a great first step for Texas Baptists. I look forward with anticipation for these statements to be put into a workable form.
The proposed changes concerning the Executive Board are long overdue. Anyone who has ever served on the Executive Board and stayed awake during the process is well aware of its impotency.
In its current system, the Executive Board makes decisions that often are ignored by well-meaning individuals, coordinating boards and others. Many times, the current system is a waste of resources, energies and time; not to mention poor financial stewardship.
David Currie is correct when he says, “The new system greatly strengthens the board's authority and influence” and, I might add, its effectiveness. It's about time for an overhaul; my rubber stamp is just about worn out.
We pastors need to take our own advice: “What is good for the body is what is best for the body.”
Pete Freeman
The Woodlands
Inconsistent approach
Help me understand what I am missing in regard to Morris Chapman's opposition to the Baptist World Alliance fund-raising appeal to individual churches (Oct. 4).
When the BGCT proposed budget changes a few years back, my church got a letter from Chapman criticizing the change and suggesting that my church designate a higher portion of its gifts to the Southern Baptist Convention instead. If SBC policy states that “in no case shall any convention entity approach a church for inclusion in its church budget or appeal for financial contributions,” then it would seem Chapman violated that policy then.
Now, a non-convention agency, the BWA, wants to speak directly to my church, but he doesn't want that to happen.
I get appeals in the mail every day from Christian organizations all over. Does Chapman intend to block those appeals as well? I doubt it.
If SBC leadership chooses not to participate with Baptists worldwide through the BWA, so be it, but Chapman should not interfere with my church's right to hear from the BWA and to freely support its work.
Morris Chapman and the SBC do not own the franchise to First Baptist Church, Pleasanton–Jesus does!
Bill Fowler
Pleasanton
Time of innocence
I would take exception to Tom Ehrich's rather dismal and cynical view of the 1950s (Sept. 20).
Having lived every one of my teenage years in the '50s, I can speak from experience and tell anyone who was not lucky enough to have lived as a young person during that 10-year time frame that it was one I would go back to in a heartbeat. The pros far outweigh the cons, hands down.
Kids today have to contend with more violence and classroom disruption today than 50 years ago. They have to worry about guns, knives and drugs being brought to school. Teen pregnancy is a much too common occurrence today, so common that many communities have set up special schools to accommodate them.
Our biggest problems in the '50s in school were running in the halls, throwing spitballs and talking in class. Contrast slipping off and having a beer or smoking a cigarette way away from home or school with alcohol consumption today by young people. Cigarettes pale in comparison with smoking pot and doing hard drugs.
I could go on and on and make my case, but I am sure time and space will not allow for it, so I will close with just one more thought: Compared to today, the '50s were a time of innocence–in the music, in the schools and in my community, which for me was Pineville, La.
T.H. Holloway
Amarillo
God & man
Let God be God, and let man be man. God became a man in Jesus, but let not man become God.
God cannot be limited to a system of theology.
God cannot be put in a theological box. God works in ways beyond the recognition of man.
All that can be known about God is not recorded in the Bible, is not limited to the contents of the Bible, is not limited to a system of theology.
The Jews had put God in a theological box and crucified their Messiah. So can we.
The Jews could not be restored to repentance, having fallen away. Can we?
Ernest V. May Jr.
Livingston
Poll prayer
God promises, “If my people, who are called by my name, will humble themselves and pray and seek my face and turn from their wicked ways, then will I hear from heaven and will forgive their sin and will heal their land” (2 Chronicles 7:14).
In 1990, a group of teens gathered around a flagpole to pray for their schools. Little did they know God would turn their humble meeting into an international movement called See You at the Pole. This was the 15th year that millions gathered around flagpoles to pray for their schools.
Adults could learn a lesson from these kids and gather to pray. I challenge Christians to commit to See You at the Poll–the election poll.
Christians should pray and vote. Before voting, pray that God will help you vote according to his will and not according to party or opinion polls. Pray for every voter who will vote in your polling place and every candidate. Pray for forgiveness of personal and national sins and for God to send the greatest revival America has ever seen. It's the most important thing you can do for America.
Every church should be involved in the election process by actively encouraging voter registration and voting. On election day, all church vans should be offering free rides to the polls for anyone who needs them. Every Christian from age 18 to 118 should practice their God given right–pray and vote.
See you at the poll!
Doug Yount
Jacksonville
Jesus' party
God is not a Republican or a Democrat.
Jesus got a lot of second-guessing from conservatives who didn't understand that people with different views were still includable to walk with him.
One of the reasons this country was founded was to avoid mixing political arguments with religious beliefs. This previously resulted in wars and persecutions of all sorts.
Jane Crawford
Seabrook
Church & state
Frankly, I am disturbed by the political overtures based on “faith-based initiatives.” I am unalterably opposed to the possible intermingling of tax money with (private and parochial) school assistance … that sounds so inviting and well-meaning.
I am further disturbed by pressures to allow pastors to endorse specific candidates, political parties and other issues of direct political interest.
Many think they are doing the Lord's will by imposing their perceptions of how the country should be run. They have no conception of the meaning of the separation of church and state.
The opinions herein expressed are my own, and I realize many of my friends and others have differing points of view.
Happily, we live in a nation that permits expressions of opinion.
Bill Chafin
Amarillo
Absolute garbage
I was appalled when I read the letter by F.A. Taylor that you chose to print, in which he said he didn't understand how a person could be a Christian and a Democrat (Sept. 20).
How desperate the editor of the Baptist Standard must be to fill space to stoop to printing such absolute garbage as this.
I am ashamed of you and suggest you go back to school to learn how to edit a Christian newspaper.
I write not for my church, but for myself, a Christian, a Baptist and a Yellow-Dog Democrat.
J.J. Harryman
Bedford
Voting values
A neighbor told me he was a diehard Democrat. I told him I didn't understand what that meant. He said, “It means that even if Satan himself was running for office under the Democratic ticket, I would vote for him!” Wow!
Yes, the environment, health care, jobs, public education and the war in Iraq are important. But they should not be put on the same level as murdering babies or the homosexual agenda. I wouldn't call murdering thousands of babies a day in this country “a speck in my brother's eye” (Luke 18:16).
Some great nations in the past were destroyed from within by homosexuality. Is that what will happen to America? I pray not (1 Corinthians 6:9).
Some call me a legalist. Well, if that means standing up for God's word and not taking it out of context, then I am one.
I heard a brother in Christ say, “If you have a problem with God's word, take it up with him.”
Henry Bean
Wingate
Conflated issues
I am less than amused by the conflation of religion and politics by certain of our Republican brothers and sisters.
Let me tell you how you can quickly identify such conflated Republicans: First, if Christ were here today and declared himself a Democrat, conflated Republicans would berate Jesus in the same manner as he was berated by the Pharisees and Sadducees of his day. “Love your enemy? Pay taxes? What a bleeding-heart liberal!”
Second, if Satan declared himself a Republican, these party adherents would fall all over themselves trying to make him the secretary of defense–“Now we will show those (insert favorite pejorative) what for!”–or the secretary of health and human services–“Get those lazy (insert second favorite pejorative) off welfare!”
Finally, without tongue in cheek, it is not hard to understand how a Christian can be a conflated Republican–sad, but not hard.
Ron Jackson
El Paso
Different day
I didn't read F.A. Taylor's letter about Jesus and politics, but it obviously hit some nerves (Sept. 20). I was a Christian and a Democrat for many of my adult years. I never voted straight ticket; I voted for the candidate who most reflected my values. (He is representing me, is he not?) I could not tell any difference between the parties as far as moral values were concerned.
Today is a different day, however.
How can a person who is aligned with biblical principles vote for a party that is diametrically opposed to almost everything the Bible teaches about values?
I don't believe God is going to judge a person's Christianity on his political party. Surely no reasonable Christian would believe that he will. But the Bible says when we lose our saltiness we are going to be trampled underfoot by the world.
Hello! Looks to me like that's what's happening to Christians in this country, and much of it is the result of sitting on the sidelines while the liberals run the ball down the field.
Wake up, Christian! Mark your ballot for the men and women who will take a stand against immorality.
Anson R. Nash Jr.
Corpus Christi
Political salvation
The old people taught us that the Anti-christ would sit upon the throne of the church and that it would be an empty framework, a shell–a military, economic, political and spiritual entity, void of the Spirit of the Lord.
If conservatism and their newly evolved party deny the kingship and headship of the Lord Jesus Christ over his church and hand it over to the Republican party and its champions, we will have that military, economic, political and spiritual entity that is a framework, a shell, the one that is void of the Spirit of the Lord.
And that is exactly the direction that we are going when we are told we must be a Republican to be saved.
Jesus Christ saved my soul, and anybody's soul that is saved is saved by him. Salvation by faith in the Lord Jesus Christ through grace is where it is at, and that is where I stand–on the Rock–faith in the redemptive power of the one that died on the cross for my sins: The Lord Jesus Christ of Nazareth.
Bonnie Parvino
Avinger
Support the BWA
After helping lead the Southern Baptist Convention to rebuke the Baptist World Alliance for alleged liberal doctrine that was never substantiated and to dominate any entity that violates the narrow precepts of Nashville nuance, Morris Chapman stood in the ranks of those who thought it wise to withdraw from any relationship with Baptists around the world.
Now he has the audacity to complain that the BWA is reaching out to those Baptists who resented this action by seeking financial support (Oct. 4).
Southern Baptists elected to sever a long and meaningful association with a global family of Baptists and after having done so, evidently think that their definition of ethics is also superior to the BWA and attempt to find fault with those who attempt to monkey with the money!
Chapman urges us to believe BWA fund-raising violates some “policy” that affects the Cooperative Program. In a failed attempt to usurp, intimidate and control this group, SBC leaders decided they could do a better job of global representation and led a few thousand voters to decide for many million non-voters to walk out!
When grace is gone and love has left, our churches need to support the BWA. And if that means taking money from the coffers of SBC control, so be it!
Edward Clark
Danville, Ky.
'Womanist' theologians
I’m glad to see Southwestern Baptist Theological Seminary is so forward thinking!
Southwestern President Paige Patterson says of a woman who believes she is called to the pastorate, “She would read the womanist theologians here” (Sept. 6).
This is a great step forward for Southwestern in allowing its women students who feel God’s call to the pastorate a chance to read womanist theology. When I was at Southwestern, Renita Weems and other African-American feminist theologians weren’t even mentioned in my classes. It is commendable that Patterson allows, and even seems to encourage, women to read womanist theology, the expression of the feminist theological thought from the perspective of African-American women.
I wonder if the other Baptist schools in Texas have Weems and other womanist theologians on their reading lists.
Kevin Griffith
Grand Prairie
Use contemporary music to reach the lost
I read the “worldly church” letter (Sept. 6). I am constantly reminded that Jesus told us to go into the world and reach the lost.
The lost are not going to hear his message if they won’t stop at the radio station or church where they think only “old timers” or “squares” are located. Those producing and playing contemporary music have learned that if people will listen, they will hear the message.
While I fit both of these musical descriptions, my preference would be old hymns and classical music. Southern gospel is too contemporary for my tastes. But the message in the current hip-hop and rap gospel is not designed to reach me; it is there for those lost souls who have never heard our golden-oldies of hymns.
Jesus didn’t insist that the old traditions be the only traditions. We have done that to ourselves. He met with the sinners and told the traditionalists that they had to go out into the world to reach the lost, not sit back and wait for them to come to us.
Contemporary artists have heard the call and have the right idea. Besides, I suspect that when “Ode to Joy” first came out, there were those who complained about how the church was going downhill with these new songs.
Oliver W. Harbison Jr.
Elgin
Stop labeling people
I find F.A. Taylor’s words (Sept. 20) highly offensive. I am a Democrat and proud to be one.
Perhaps if Taylor would read Matthew 25:31-45, he would find a rather lengthy discourse on what Jesus would do, then or now. For Taylor to say, tongue in cheek or not, that he cannot understand how a Christian can be a Democrat demonstrates anything but a Christ-like spirit.
It’s time for folks to stop, to cease and desist from labeling people
Un-Christian because they do not agree with their own person political positions.
Barbara Kent
Fort Worth
Danger of dialogue with Muslims
Muslims who participated in Houston Baptist University’s Jesus in Islam Symposium purported to tell us “what really happened to Jesus after his crucifixion” (Sept. 6)? Don’t we already know the answer to that?
I realize we need to witness to Muslims, but do we not risk validating their false beliefs with this approach?
Gene Rowell
Cedar Hill
Lesson in Baptist polity
Seems to me Morris Chapman needs a refresher course in Baptist polity.
When the convention voted to leave the BWA, that was a convention decision, not a local-church one.
As a free and autonomous local Baptist church, we are free to choose where we send our money and with whom we associate. The boys in Nashville need to remember who pays the bills up there.
Michael L. Simons
Cleburne Texas
Be open when choosing a pastor
Are churches and pastor-search committees tying the hands of the Lord? I have come to terms that many churches are tying the hands of the Lord.
I was so glad when First Baptist Church in Houston called Gregg Matte. I thought other churches would open their minds and see what a person can do when he is called to preach. I have received so many letters saying that because I do not fit what the church wants they would not even give me a second thought.
The other thing is that I am in Missouri, and Texas is so far away.
I have been trained in the intentional interim ministry, but churches seem to tie the hands of the Lord here as well. If a man has no Seminary, no previous experience or lives far away, do not apply.
I hope if you are looking for a pastor, you will turn it over to the Lord and ask him to place the man he has for your church. Please do not look at his education or at his experience. If he does not have the experience that the church wants, take the step of faith and let the Lord work not only in life of the church but in the life of the pastor.
Fred Stroman
Lees Summit, Mo.
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