Posted: 1/04/08
Texas Baptist Forum
Remove applause cause
I asked one of my students who was in a college singing ensemble how the summer tour went. He told of singing at a megachurch in the Midwest. The group thought they were to be the special feature at the Sunday morning service, only to find out they were to be squeezed in between the free china giveaway and the parachute drop.
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 “Americans have tested that wall (of separation between church and state) in every possible way. We’ve run trucks up against it, we’ve thrown firecrackers at it, and the wall has stood pretty strongly. And it requires, I think, constant vigilance.” Jon Meacham Newsweek editor (CBS News Sunday Morning)
“We find ourselves capable of worry, but I heard recently a great saying that I want to pass on to you: Control those things of which you have control and let go of everything else.” Roland Barlowe Baptist minister affiliated with Marketplace Chaplains USA (RNS)
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Do you feel your church is moving in that direction? The solution to this problem is simple. Here is a way to convert your church from an entertainment center to a worship center: Remove all elements in the Sunday morning service for which there is applause.
What remains are congregational singing, prayers, Scripture reading, responsive reading and sermon. I know it seems odd today to have only these things, but you will be amazed at what the Holy Spirit can do with them.
What about baptisms? I know that in some churches baptisms have come to be viewed as highly entertaining, as though a half-gainer or double backflip had been performed. The answer is to have private baptisms, as were most of those recorded in the New Testament. The few references to large numbers being baptized were not at Christian worship services, nor was any applause recorded. Baptism should be a reverent, meaningful experience, as are prayers and the hearing of God’s word.
The problem is not applause per se, but having things for which people will want to applaud.
Richard Berry
Longview
Welcome return
The Baptist General Convention of Texas evangelism conference is returning, Jan. 13-15. Welcome—not to the good old days but to these present days. I remember days when we would have 15,000 to 20,000 attend the evangelism conference. It was a time of fellowship and renewal. And it kept the focus on why we are here, who we are and Whose we are. Those days are past, but the gospel is fresh and alive! And always will be.
In our midst are churches that no longer have the name Baptist. We are better known for our feuding than our faith. It is time for us to be known for our faith, our willingness to understand the people of today, and to share the gospel of Jesus Christ in the culture of today.
BGCT Evangelism Director Jon Randles knows how to communicate with the culture of today. Pray for him and the conference.
The greatest convenant we could have is in uniting to share the gospel to the state of Texas.
Henry Adrion
Hilltop Lakes
Science & Scripture
While seeking an integrated understanding of spiritual and physical lives—merging cultural understandings of science and Christian views of Scripture—is admirable, the explanation espoused in “God and science” (Dec. 17) exemplifies the ill-conceived methods “space-age” readers attempt in order to apply sacred texts that originated in nonscientific cultures.
To suggest a “scientific” explanation for a miraculous account such as that found in Joshua 10 is an injustice. The text does not need the vainglorious affirmation of modern science to confirm the spiritual truth of God’s redemptive actions among his people. To do so forces biblical readers to reject the very science that has built our modern lives in favor of a fundamentalist and literal reading of the Bible that was never the intent of the authors nor the understanding of our Jewish or Christian ancestors.
If the “Earth stopped turning for about a full day” as the letter suggested, it is not an example of God’s miraculous power nor a witnessing opportunity, but a confirmation that the laws of physics are invalid: A car’s internal combustion engine is a fraud, antibiotics are bogus, and gravity does not hold us to the face of this spinning planet. Other, perfectly acceptable “Christian”—even “Baptist”—interpretations exist. Most are truer to Scripture than the barest reading of the details.
Well-meaning Christians might best stick to the message of God’s saving grace in Christ and not misuse concepts beyond our competency by parading our scientific and philosophical weaknesses to a world seeking a deeper spiritual experience.
David Maltsberger
Boerne
Priesthood of believers
Mother said a child reached the years of accountability at age 12. Her children would be saved and baptized at age 12. I didn’t understand that concept of salvation. How could baptism alone save me?
During Vacation Bible School at First Baptist Church in Anthony, N.M., Brother Brock, our pastor, walked into our junior department, introducing us to Jesus. He knew this Jesus I had heard about all my life on a very personal basis. That is when I probably began talking to Jesus more personally, also.
A few years later, in January of 1953, a two-week revival was held at the church. My two brothers and I were saved during that revival. I was only 11, but Mother let me be baptized anyway. Accepting Jesus for my salvation, Lord of my life and following him in baptism finally made sense to my 11-year-old reasoning.
Some years back, my fifth grade Sunday school students were studying the plan of salvation one quarter. A child told me she had been saved at age 4 or 5, but one Sunday morning, it was like a light went on for her. That Sunday night, the little girl practically danced down the aisle of our church when the invitation was given. Without the doctrine of priesthood of all believers, how can we lead people to a personal relationship with Jesus?
Joyce Brumley
Grand Prairie
Where credit is due
I’m confused. My wife and I read the Nov. 19 2nd Opinion column and felt this young minister shows a lack of knowledge about his own contrarian Baptist history.
We are the first to admit some Baptists have gone too far trying to balance a liberal theological “slippery slope” with rampant fundamentalism. But, interestingly enough, the Southern Baptist Convention still is intact, and we still fellowship with other Southern Baptist churches, unlike many major denominations that have split over such issues as homosexual ministers.
We ought to give credit where credit is due: Regardless of what we think about Fundamentalists, they are trying to stem the tide of liberal policies that just might destroy Christianity in America.
My question to the young pastor is simple: Are we to stop being salt and light in the name of tolerance? Do we want to avoid being unpopular? Is Christ a skandalon or not? It is a tough call at times, I know.
We should work harder to feed the hungry, clothe the naked and visit those in prison! But we can do all that and still take a stand when our society goes astray. The two are not mutually exclusive.
Eric Whitmore
Okinawa, Japan
Church & homosexuals
Regarding “NC Baptists expel gay-affirming Charlotte church,” Pastor Steve Shoemaker stated that Jesus welcomed those considered outcasts, as sinners by those religious, into the kingdom of God drawing near.
Jesus welcomed, and still does, all who come to him by repentance. Repentance means to change the direction, to go the other way. All through Scripture, when Jesus called someone, they changed. He loves each of us and will forgive each of us, but he calls us to change to his standard as set forth in the Scriptures, not just tack him onto what we want to do. He told the woman caught in adultery to “Go and sin no more.”
Also, there was a statement made in an article on women leaders in the church that the Bible says in Galatians 3:28, “There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither slave nor free man, there is neither male nor female; for you are all one in Christ Jesus” and that this meant women are equal to men in leadership in the church. This passage is referring to salvation, not to leadership. Paul stated he did not allow women to teach or have authority over men, but to remain quiet (1 Timothy 2:12).
Scripture is interpreted by Scripture, and it either means what it says or it doesn’t. We can’t pick and choose what parts we want to believe and which parts we don’t.
It’s all or nothing.
Nelda Garmon
Winnsboro
Regarding “Conservative Christians show growing acceptance of divorce”:
Neither the Ten Commandments nor Jesus mention homosexuality, but Jesus condemned divorce and said anyone who divorced and remarried committed adultery (Mark 10:11, 12). One of the Ten Command-ments forbids adultery, but some in the clergy and many in the pews have been able to remain in good standing with their church despite divorce and remarriage.
Are homosexuals our lepers or our Samaritans?
Robert Flynn
San Antonio
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