Posted: 12/16/05
Texas Baptist Forum
Speak up for Christmas
“Let the redeemed of the Lord say so” (Psalm 107:2).
This Christmas season has included many surprises. Some of us were surprised by the department stores that opted not to use the word “Christmas” in their ads this year.
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"When you consider that 80 to 90 percent of the American public celebrates Christmas, that (retailers) actively solicit and advertise to … make millions and millions of dollars, and they're not willing to mention the words 'Merry Christmas,' something is drastically wrong."
Manuel Zamorano Protester, who called off his boycott of Macy's department stores after the chain reinstituted "Merry Christmas" in its advertising (RNS)
"When did it become the responsibility of department stores to preach the gospel? It is not the purpose of retail establishments to advance the cause of Christ. I do not recall Jesus ever saying, 'Why haven't you turned my marketplace into a house of prayer?' If Christ is missing from Christmas, don't blame department stores. The real reason is somewhere closer to home. … No wonder Christ seems to be missing from Christmas–Christians keep looking for him in the mall."
James Evans Pastor of First Baptist Church in Auburn, Ala. (EthicsDaily.com)
"The speaker believes a Christmas tree is a Christmas tree, and it is as simple as that."
Ron Bonjean Spokesman for House Speaker Dennis Hastert, R-Ill., explaining Hastert's decision not to label the Capitol Christmas tree a "holiday tree" (Washington Times/RNS)
"I think the 'Person' of the Year should be God. On the one hand, more people seem certain they know God's will on the social issues of the day. On the other, all of us feel the need to find answers as we confront the 'acts of God' dominating the news, like diseases and global catastrophes."
Coleen Rowley Former FBI agent and one of three "whistleblowers" honored as Time magazine's "Persons of the Year" in 2002 (RNS)
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Recently, I had another surprise. Of the scores of people I talked to about the attack on Christmas, I was surprised by the number of folk who hadn't heard about the attack. Do these people watch the news? Or should the question be, “Do these people watch the right news?” Any news agency that won't report this problem is obviously in bed with the “kill Christmas” group.
But it's better not to know the news than to do nothing after hearing it. I guarantee you that if enough Christians lodged a complaint against stores that refuse to use “Christmas” this week, they'd be talking about “Christmas” next week!
Edmund Burke spoke a truth when he said: “The only thing necessary for evil to triumph is that good men do nothing.”
Doug Fincher
San Augustine
Speak up for serious matters
The usual hot buttons of “In God We Trust,” “… one nation under God,” and so forth have been temporarily put on the back burner. Instead, we have changed to the hot buttons of Christmas, as politicians and religious leaders go for more money and political influence.
I heard a well-known religious figure say on the radio that if you don't call a decorated tree a “Christmas tree,” it is an attack on Jesus! The speaker of the U.S House of Representatives made a point of renaming the tree at the Capitol a “Christmas tree.” Some organizations want to boycott businesses if they don't use politically correct greetings–as defined by religious/political leaders.
Jesus told us to feed the hungry, clothe the naked, visit those in prison and minister to the sick. Did he really intend to mandate certain words of greeting and correct terminology for decorated trees at this time of year and then just forgot to mention it?
Our nation is facing serious problems, not the least of which is corruption in our political system. We have hungry, homeless people and families who have lost loved ones in Iraq. How would Jesus respond to our lack of concern for serious matters?
I think he would weep.
Carl L. Hess
Ozark, Ala.
Circle grows narrower
Please look at Paul Pressler's last book, where he and others promised those of us with charismatic leanings a place at the Southern Baptist Convention table. Check with Wallace Henley in Houston as well.
I serve Central Baptist Church of Hixson in Chattanooga, Tenn., and have hosted Fresh Oil and New Wine conferences for years. Six hundred-plus Baptist churches cooperate with us.
We want to stay (in the SBC), but the circle of so-called orthodoxy grows ever narrower. If the gifts of the Spirit have ceased, then let the convention say it. Scholars may not believe in the supernatural, but no reputable New Testament scholar denies the gifts are clearly taught.
The action of the International Mission Board is one more step down for a declining denomination whose only hope is a fresh openness to the Holy Spirit.
Ron Phillips
Chattanooga, Tenn.
Decision hurts missions
Regarding the International Mission Board's decision not to appoint missionaries who use “prayer language” in private: I know there's debate about the nature of speaking in tongues in the Scripture. There are zealous and sincere people on both sides.
However, it is wrong for the IMB to limit God by eliminating missionaries who have their own (presumably Spirit-filled) way of praying.
Our church's mission giving will no longer include this organization.
“But one and the same Spirit works all these things, distributing to each one individually just as he wills” (1 Corinthians 12:11).
Darryl Hall
Garland
Obituary embarrassing
I must tell you how disappointed I was with the Standard's coverage of the death of Dr. Adrian Rogers (Nov. 21).
My disappointment and embarrassment is that something so insensitive and one-sided would be printed about a Christian brother at his death.
It would have been better to ignore his passing rather than reprint an article from another agency. I find it difficult to believe that your talented writers could not write their own story.
Dr. Rogers was a man of dignity and humility, and whatever your theological and political differences, he deserved better treatment from your paper. Poor form, sir.
Keith Sanders
Keller
Design for intelligence
Kansas should be commended for taking a stand for teaching intelligent design.
The opponents of teaching intelligent design call such teaching “bad science.” Actually, Darwin's theory of evolution is bad science similar to the alchemist teaching of the past.
Teaching intelligent design in schools moves the teaching of biology out of questionable theories, just as atomic theories moved physical science out of the theory of the alchemist. Just as atomic theory showed heavy metals could not have “evolved” from lighter metals, archeological research now shows higher-order animals appeared rather rapidly–not over thousands of years as thought by Darwin's theory.
Teaching intelligent design in our schools will help today's students seek better scientific understanding of living organisms.
Bill Osborne
Houston
The separation between religion and government
Thank you for the story about the T.B. Maston Foundation’s award to Rep. Chet Edwards. Those of us who learned from Professor Maston at Southwestern Baptist Theological Seminary were forever influenced. He taught the responsibility of being honest. I also had the honor of studying Baptist history under Hugh Wamble at Midwestern Baptist Theological Seminary.
If there is one point I could make in respect to the subject of religion and government, as established by America’s Founding Fathers and the First Congress, it is about the complete fabrication perpetuated by some who claim to be Christians. I suspect both Maston and Wamble roll over in their graves every time they hear a Baptist minister reject the clearly stated comment of James Madison, who wrote: “Strongly guarded … is the separation between Religion and Government in the Constitution of the United States” (“Detached Memoranda,” William and Mary Quarterly, 3:555). Read it at a university library or search for it on the Internet.
I would also suggest that every Baptist read The Writings of Elder John Leland. One of the most recent eloquent comments relating to the debate comes from the Louisiana Baptist preacher Welton Gaddy: “If religion becomes just another political action committee, … another contract employee of the federal government … religion loses. … When in the history of religion have you ever known a prophet to speak truth to power when power was paying the prophets’ salary? (Christian Science Monitor, 3-9-05, p. 20).
Gene Garman
Pittsburg, Kan.
Compassion toward animals
There is seldom disagreement among individuals of various faiths, or even nonbelievers, when discussing the need for compassion in our world. It is this feeling of deep caring and love that many Christians experience in their relationship to God or Jesus Christ.
However, when the topic of compassion toward animals is raised, harmony can quickly dissipate, even among those within the same church. Instead of quoting Scriptures and getting into arguments about the context or meaning, we could simply ask ourselves, “What would Jesus do?”
If Jesus asked you how the dead animal on your table once lived, what would you say? Would you tell him that the animal never got the chance to scratch in the dirt or feel sunlight on his feathers? Would you tell him how this lovely creature had his beak and toes cut off without pain-killers? Would you tell him about the fear and pain that the animal experienced at the slaughterhouse? Or would you simply say that you don’t know?
Christians are called upon to live to a higher moral standard. This duty requires constant evaluation of every thought, word and deed. When it comes to your holiday menu, make a choice for compassion and forgo the meat. Be responsible and accountable. Do what Jesus would do.
Nancy Hartwig
Folsom, Calif.
IMB oversteps on prayer language ruling
I am afraid the International Mission Board has taken a false step. Is it with in their authority to restrict someone’s private prayers with God? What line have they crossed, and where will it stop?
I am a pastor and very much understand the controversy behind speaking in tongues and private prayer languages. We are given direction in God’s word in relationship to these matters. The first thing this indicates to me is the authenticity of tongues and private prayers.
The Bible, as far as I can understand, never tells us to not speak in private prayer languages. We do indeed have biblical guidelines concerning disruptive and un-interpreted speaking in tongues but I do not know of any ban on private prayers. I would refer you to 1 Corinthians 14:39-40 and ask you to pray over the meaning of those verses.
I am deeply concerned over this move and would hope that we who are in the Body of Christ would pray about this issue. We need deeply committed, spiritual and passionate people to share the gospel throughout the world. Is a disagreement over one’s manner of prayer worth holding back the gospel message? Is praying in a private prayer language a sin and a valid reason to exclude a person from reaching out to the lost?
I have to ask myself what the purpose of such a ban is really about. Is it God’s will or just a matter of comfort zones? What is the real issue here?
David E. Jones
Jayton
Divorce rates higher among Christians
An article about divorce acceptance states that church participants are less likely to divorce—a contention embodied in the cliché “Families that pray together stay together” (Oct. 31). I disagree.
Divorce trends are tricky to interpret, but it’s widely accepted that rates are higher among Christians. Exacting statistics aside, should the rate in the church not be markedly lower?
Christian families have more children; therefore sending more “divorce kids” into society with baggage. Is homosexuality potentially baggage from this?
The church expends resources on societal ills, such as alcoholism, while divorce accountability is almost ignored. In a perverse way, it’s enabled. If divorce carried the teeth-gritting stigma that, say, homosexuality carries, the divorce rate in the church would plummet. Instead, we have divorce-care workshops, one with 12 steps, in which the 11th step is potential reconciliation. Should it be first?
“Well they’re divorcing. Let’s love ’em and help them through,” is a prevailing attitude. Imagine, “Well he’s having an affair. Let’s love him and help him through.”
Absurd.
We decry same-sex marriage while permissively looking away on divorce.
No-fault divorces are legal and moral problems. Since 70 percent to 80 percent of divorces are filed by women (true in the church), most for “irreconcilable differences,” there’s a hint how to attack the issue.
Listen to Mother’s/Father’s Day and husband/wife sermons side-by-side. The contrast explains much. Man funny; woman admirable. Church is feminized. Sports and work are not. Men are workaholic by week, golfaholic on weekends. So?
Chris Lenegar
Magnolia
Who would Jesus execute?
The 1,000th person to be executed in this country since 1976 recently was put to death in my state. I wish North Carolina could have gained national attention some other way.
I always have been against the death penalty. Governments always should avoid taking human lives in any situation, plus there always is the possibility that the prisoner may actually be innocent. Since 1973, at least 122 prisoners have been freed from death row thanks to prosecutorial misconduct, witnesses recanting their testimony, DNA testing and other second chances.
If the death penalty is a deterrent, then why doesn’t the government execute all killers? Whether you call it murder, homicide or manslaughter, taking a life is taking a life. What really bothers me is that many pro-life Christians support something that the Roman authorities did to Jesus.
Doesn’t one of the Ten Commandments say, “Thou shalt not kill”? Didn’t Jesus say, “Do unto others as you would have them do unto you,” “Let he who is without sin cast the first stone” and “Whatever you do to the least among men, you also do unto me”?
If you disagree with me, then ask yourself, “Who would Jesus execute”?
Chuck Mann
Greensboro, N.C.
Volunteers in the storm
In reference to “Baptist Men involved in God’s activity” (Nov. 21): I had the honor to work with the Texas Baptist Men Dallas kitchen in Lufkin, riding out Hurricane Rita at Harmony Hills Baptist Church. I also worked in Vidor at First Baptist Church. Both churches are awsome and are lighthouses for the Lord.
At Lufkin, the small Dallas unit is set up to feed 4,000 to 5000 people each day. In the first 10 days, 85,000 meals were prepared, with “rookies” doing the cooking. At Vidor, I worked with chainsaw units from Evansville, Ind. They returned home in time for a tornado, and Baptist Men from Virginia and Oklahoma took their places.
The men that I met, worked with and saw God working through were an awesome and life-changing experience.
I witnessed to a Red Cross driver from California who was in awe of the work that was being done. He was not saved, but the seeds were planted for the Holy Spirit. None of this could have been done without the leadership of the “Carpenter,” the Lord Jesus the Christ, who was the basis for the witness.
I am sorry for the victim’s losses to Rita and Katrina, but I’m so thankful for the experience with Texas Baptist Men.
Victor Norman
Longview
Double talk
Tom Reynolds’ (Dec 5) reasoning that “the Baptist General Convention of Texas is social,” and “the Southern Baptist of Texas is evangelistic,” and both are right because “Jesus is more than one point of view” (Dec. 5) is a lot of double talk.
Jesus had one point of view, which was truth. When the Southern Baptists of Texas Convention split from the BGCT, there was nothing about evangelistic versus social. Their first president, Miles Seaborn, explained: “Every one of us is a warrior to preserve God’s inerrant word” and he said he would not give another nickel of his tithe to anywhere he thought was ungodly. Their executive director, Jim Richards made it more clear: “Theological agreement will be the first foundation of the new convention. Those who depart theologically will be identified and called to repent. To the foes of Southern Baptists of Texas, we say, we’re not in competition with you, but we’ve been called to contrast you.”
Both conventions are evangelistic but when the SBTC rebelled, they started a verbal war against their brothers. It was so hurtful, in 1999 the BGCT formed a committee to handle the slander, saying, “Enough is enough.” Reynolds has added more slander—“social.”
The truth of the Bible is God’s perfect word, and the untruth in the Bible is from the devil and men who are liars, ignorant, uninformed and, as 2 Peter 3:16 says, “deliberately stupid.” As wind separates shaft from grain, the Holy Spirit separates untruth from truth.
Please don’t force me to believe otherwise.
Rex Ray
Bonham
Ability or quotas?
I truly hope the good people who attended the Baptist General Convention of Texas annual meeting in Austin didn’t break their arms patting themselves on the back. I guess the BGCT has set out to “prove to the world” that they are diverse: “Look, secular world, we elected an Hispanic last year as BGCT president, and this year we elected a black. See how diverse we are and how we love everybody.”
But they didn’t stop there. Now, they’e going to meet quotas. Although I don’t know anything about (new President Michael) Bell, I’m sure he’s fully qualified to serve as president. But let’s get off the minority thing and elect officers on their ability not their race or gender.
I teach an adult Sunday school class. My assistant is a black woman. I didn’t recommend her because she was black or a woman. I recommended her because she is a great teacher, and I have all the confidence in the world in her to lead the class in my absence. I often call on her to read in class, not because she’s black, but because she’s an excellent reader. We have a black children’s church director. He didn’t get the position because he’s black, but because he’s highly qualified, and he loves children and the children love him.
So, let’s get over the fear that the secular world might point a finger at us if we don’t “prove” we are diverse and fail to meet quotas. We’re not out to please the world but to please God.
F.A. Taylor
Kempner
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