Posted: 6/25/04
TEXAS BAPTIST FORUM:
Practice the pledge
As Southern Baptist Convention messengers voted to pull out of the Baptist World Alliance, our church was having Vacation Bible School.
Each day, I felt personal grief as we pledged: “I pledge allegiance to the Christian flag, and to the Savior for whose kingdom it stands, one brotherhood, uniting all Christians, in service and love.”
I can remember as a child we said, “uniting all mankind,” but that was changed to “uniting all Christians.” Problem is, 'neath the banner of the cross, we can no longer even say, “uniting all Baptists.”
We either need to remember our pledge and support our brothers and sisters in Christ around the world or change the pledge again to reflect our practice. I am for practicing what we pledge right now!
Bill Fowler
Pleasanton
Connect with people
I do agree with this week's editorial (posted online last week): It is time all Baptist leadership begins to reconnect with people at the local level.
It seems most Baptist leaders–state and national–only wish to advance their own personal agendas instead of having faith in God that he will lead messengers to vote according to his will and not the will of a handful of men.
Unfortunately, SBC leaders appear to lack representation from ethnic groups with the exception of this Korean pastor from California (Second Vice President David Hwan Gill). But where are the Hispanic and the black representatives in key leadership posts?
I was glad to see that for the first time in Baptist General Convention of Texas history, all of the key committees are headed by persons of minority descent, thus demonstrating a more inclusive convention, unlike others. I believe that the BGCT is striving to be inclusive of all peoples and congregations of all sizes.
If this continued disconnect with the people continues, though, there will not be a convention but a string of very loosely affiliated churches with very limited resources to do evangelism on a glo-bal scale.
The motion that Claude Thomas made (to consider changing the SBC's name) is a very telling indication that leadership in the convention is disconnected from the average church member or leadership really has taken a very elitist view of the average church member.
Ruben Harrison Jr.
Laredo
Keep finest generals
You reported that evangelical Gen. Jerry Boykin has been linked to Iraqi prison abuse (May 31). So what?
The liberal media has overplayed the prison-abuse-by-Americans thing. Yes, the Iraqis were toyed with and made fun of, but I doubt any were hurt seriously. Yet the Iraqi soldiers are killing our soldiers and beheading civilians.
We need to keep all the finest generals we can. The Iraqis are still killing our soldiers every day, while we thought we were trying to make Iraq a democratic country and free them from dictatorship.
We caught Saddam Hussein by going there. Let's get on with his trial. He knew his capture would be mild by soft-hearted Americans who will keep him in jail for years probably.
Let's keep Lt. Gen. Jerry Boykin in his command.
Do not question his authority. We need him.
Also, forget about the Iraqi prison abuse and get on with what we are in Iraq for.
Marilyn Green
Dallas
Meanings of communion
Please be advised that your editorial is inaccurate–there is no similarity between what Baptists call the Lord's Supper and Holy Communion (June 14).
For Romans and Anglicans, the Coptic and Orthodox, the Polish National Church, Assyrians and almost every other Christian church, the sacrament of our Lord's body and blood is a means of grace, a sign of grace received, and is quite vital to one's ongoing salvation.
It is only you Protestants who deny the real presence of Christ in the holy sacrament. In so doing, you are attempting to separate yourselves from the One Holy Catholic and Apostolic Church.
Offered in this state of rebellion, the elements of bread and wine are such that they may in no way be compared to the consecrated elements which become for us the body and blood of Jesus Christ.
Please do not make this comparison again. It just doesn't wash.
Linda McMillan
Austin
Missing out on wrath
In “Catholics, Kerry & church discipline” (June 14), your editorial said: “And then he (Jesus) said an unrepentant sinner should 'be to you as a Gentile and a tax gatherer.'” Imagine how a Jew in Jesus' day would feel if he were treated like that. He would want desperately to rejoin the family, to feel accepted again. Jesus' way does not seek humiliation; it provides 'tough love' incentive for repenting and returning home.”
Sure, maybe that can happen. But don't you think the point of this text is that these issues have a best-case scenario solution (loving correction, repentance and mercy) and a second-best-case (removal of fellowship, a sense of judgment).
I think you've lost touch with the concept of the wrath and judgment of God.
Mark Boone
Dallas
Grateful for reporting
I am aware you do not need me or anyone to come to your defense, but after reading a letter so full of venom, vitriolic acid and over-the-top attempts to judge the editor on moral and spiritual grounds (“No fear of God,” June 14), I would like to go on record as being eternally grateful for the consistently fair reporting I read in this informative paper.
Marv Knox's editorials are perceptive, profound, well-written and honest as he reports what is happening in Baptist life. To ignore the continuing struggle in Baptist polity is unrealistic and bad journalism.
As our basic tenets in the old Southern Baptist Convention were changed, many people followed those leaders who led them to revamped doctrines that pulled us from the high road we were on as we marched toward a bold mission thrust. Now, Baptists are perceived as infighting, bitter, jaded, cynical, angry and–most astonishing of all–prideful.
The SBC has put us all into convenient categories of conservative or liberal, male or female, Republican or Democrat, SBC or CBF or BWA, heterosexual or homosexual, them or us, right or wrong, good or bad, 1963 Baptist Faith & Message or 2000 Baptist Faith & Message.
Under the directives of power-hungry men, the SBC is so polarized that it has spent most of its forward motion needed for kingdom building defending authoritarian, non-Baptist practices.
We rely on the Baptist Standard to continue in your excellent work informing us as to what is happening in Baptist life across Texas.
Ragan Courtney
Austin
Mentoring program
The wonderful story on Lenard Hartley of San Angelo and his passion for mentoring pastors (May 31) reflected his humility and quiet service to others. But those who know him and have the special blessing of working with him would want others to know his passion for mentoring has reached farther in the community than the story told.
He was enlisted to develop and lead the mentoring component of the first national pilot for Christian Men's Job Corps in San Angelo. With very little to go on, he created a mentoring program that meets the specific needs of the job corps and designed the training and organization components that could very likely be the prototype for the national ministry.
The early success of this key element to the ministry already is showing fruit in the lives of the first participants, as he is teaching and training laymen how to walk side by side, man to man, as encouragers and accountability partners.
The desire of this mentoring model is that it might become the format to be incorporated in a national Christian Men's Job Corps in the near future.
Thanks to Lenard Hartley for the courage to minister and serve in new ways.
Toni English
Athens, Ga.
Proud of faith
I have been reading the Baptist Standard since my salvation experience, about four years ago.
During that time, I have made a transition from my Roman Catholic roots to the Baptist faith. The way this publication presents our faith in both tone and theology has enabled me to make this change.
Thanks for the Baptist General Convention of Texas, which has made this Texas Baptist proud of his faith.
Donald Rhea
Mansfield
Indulgences return
The sale of indulgencies seems to have returned, only now they are bartered.
In exchange for giving churches control of reproduction and “making charity profitable,” churches permit the government to regard life lost because of “preemptive” war, capital punishment, hazardous working conditions, pollution, unsafe food and water, and cars that explode, roll over or come apart as less sacred than unborn life.
Where is Martin Luther?
Robert Flynn
San Antonio
Loud hairdo
I cannot hear a word singer Rebecca St. James is saying as long as she wears that sick hairstyle of Michael Jackson (June 14)! Why imitate him?
Roy Anderson
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